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    Team Fortress 2

    The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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      Team Fortress 2

      The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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      And the character trailers are hilarious.

      "That thing ... It scares me," Pyro shooting bubbles and lollypops in his mind actually causing pure death and destruction

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        I do think the Spyro games are probably the absolute best of the collect-a-thon genre. Joyful and fun and with fun puzzles. I am worried I am too biased to say it though since I have 120%/100%/117% beat the games multiple multiple multiple times.

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        Hey, you and me man xD

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          What's left of edith finch.

          Such an amazing game. Absolute masterpiece.

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          This is the game I used to convince my film nerd friends that games can be art too. They really enjoyed playing through it!

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            How do you even begin to care about anything in that game when you are basically mashing buttons for hours and just listening to people complain about how shit life is?

            I get its an art piece of living the existence you are thrown into but it feels like a confusing mess even gameplay wise for the starting hours that people that have finished it I feel miss how unfun it is at first.

            I didn't even know why I was now stuck on the other side of a wall in a union dispute and I just couldn't be bothered to restart the game to try something else after how long it took to get dressed the first time.

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            The game is not for everyone. That's okay. Rothko paintings are worth tens of millions of dollars and I completely do not get them at all.

            I will give you that there are two soft locks early on that are a little too easy to stumble into and it is for sure the game's biggest flaw.

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              Elden Ring

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                Games I haven't seen mentioned yet:

                • Fez - cute little 2D/3D platformer. It's amazing and very wholesome

                • Stalker: Shadow of Chenrobyl - dunno what exactly is it, perhaps the settings and the grit, but it has a special place in my heart. It's about average FPS, but not too long and for me enjoyable

                • F.E.A.R. - very good FPS, with amazingly scripted enemies, decent horror elements (not compulsory - you might miss some of them if you're not looking).

                • Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - for me the best 3rd person action adventure ever. Best combat hands down (or head, or torso, you choose), streamlined blade dance at your fingertips. You play with your enemies, and you get many tools. There are some locked camera issues.

                • Touhou: Lost branch of time - If you liked Slay the Spire, but wished for colorful mana, this is the game for you. It has anime artstyle, I usually focus on the cards, though it might turn some people off

                • Dota 2 - Dunno if it was mentioned and I didn't see, but the mechanics are absolutely amazing, the things the game lets you get away with are incredible. 10/10, but other people might bring your experience down. Specially friends. Can play against custom (workshop) bots. Still takes too long to git gud. I studied the game for 10 years and still sucked.

                • Divinity 2: Original Sin - also haven't seen a mention, everybody talks about BG3, I haven't yet played it, but D2:OS was also a masterpiece. Haven't played a lot of TRPGs, this was a blast, with easily set up multiplayer. Played through it twice completely, with many abandoned runs.

                • CS 1.6 - remember that? I lost my childhood to that. They don't make counter strikes this good anymore.

                • Synthetik - top-down rougelike shooter, with amazing weapons and physics and classes and enemies and mechanics and 2 person multiplayer

                • Dwarf Fortress - the real objectively best game 😄 strategy simulation of the 3D box world, predecesor to both Minecraft and Terraria, but with A LOT more sand in your box. They are still extending it. And it's on Steam if you want a UI.

                • Terraria (Calamity mod) - Terraria is obviously a great game, but what makes it 20/10 is the mods. Calamity specifically. Tripple the content, 5x the difficulty (20x if you try Infernum), amazing multiplayer experience. Don't install Infernum if you haven't beaten at least Revengeance on Calamity. Trust me, it will fuck you up.

                • Yakuza 0 - how could I forget about this masterpiece? Story done absolutely right, that game had no business making me feel so strongly about it. Cool combat, very funny moments, but I cried during it. If you haven't tried it, check it out. You won't regret it.

                • OpenTTD - Trains. Do you like to create and manage big rail systems? This is for you. And your friends. Only noobs use planes. Only psychos use boats. Nobody uses only vehicles.

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                I love that you included 1.6. I spent my all teenage years staying up all night playing this. I was thinking single player epics but this is absolutely a masterpiece.

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                  Minesweeper.

                  Simple, endlessly playable.

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                    Journey

                    There is not a single word in the game, barely any control but the game take you through an emotional story.

                    It's multiplayer in a sense that you might meet another player, they can help you, you can help them or just continue on your path and despite not having any words it just fell like a genuine, pure connection with someone.

                    And the music is amazing.

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                    Journey is an Art masterpiece, but one that you need to already appreciate Art to enjoy.
                    I got friends to try it, some of them enjoyed the experience, others found it boring as hell.

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                      I'd say games that have set the standard for their genre, and have not been surpassed, would be the only ones that count.

                      • Half Life 1 and then again with 2
                      • Half Life Alyx
                      • Age of Empires II
                      • Baldur's Gate 3
                      • Warframe
                      • Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando
                      • Knights of the Old Republic
                      • Fallout: New Vegas
                      • Crash Bandicoot: Warped
                      • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
                      • The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and then again with Tears of the Kingdom
                      • Elden Ring
                      • Hollow Knight
                      • Dirt Rally
                      • The World Ends With You (the original NDS version)
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                        SOMA was great

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                        I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

                        It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

                        If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

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                          • Chrono Trigger
                          • Disco Elysium
                          • Sekiro
                          • Zelda Ocarina of Time
                          • Bioshock
                          • Portal
                          • Half Life
                          • Nier Automata
                          • Tetris

                          Flawed Masterpieces

                          • Minecraft (surprising)
                          • Dragon age Origins
                          • Team Fortress 2
                          • Fallout New Vegas
                          • Dark Souls
                          • Every Baldur's Gate

                          Masterpiece in my heart: Terraria

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                          I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.

                          To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.

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                            Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                            Release Date Game
                            1980 Pac-Man
                            1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                            1985 Tetris
                            1986 Kid Icarus
                            1988 Mega Man 2
                            1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                            1988 The Guardian Legend
                            1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                            1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                            1989 Monster Party
                            1989 Populous
                            1989 Sweet Home
                            1990 Dr. Mario
                            1990 Final Fantasy III
                            1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                            1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                            1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                            1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                            1992 Super Mario Kart
                            1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                            1993 Doom
                            1993 Gauntlet IV
                            1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                            1993 Mega Man X
                            1994 Donkey Kong Country
                            1994 Earthworm Jim
                            1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                            1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                            1994 Super Metroid
                            1994 The Lion King
                            1995 Chrono Trigger
                            1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                            1997 Diablo
                            1997 Final Fantasy VII
                            1997 Mega Man X4
                            1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                            1997 Snowboard Kids
                            1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                            1998 Metal Gear Solid
                            1998 Sonic Adventure
                            1998 South Park
                            1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                            1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                            1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                            1999 Planescape: Torment
                            1999 Quake III Arena
                            1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                            1999 Silent Hill
                            1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                            1999 Sven Co-op
                            1999 Unreal Tournament
                            1999 Worms Armageddon
                            2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                            2000 Diablo II
                            2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                            2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                            2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                            2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                            2001 Final Fantasy X
                            2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                            2001 Shenmue II
                            2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                            2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                            2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                            2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                            2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                            2004 Champions of Norrath
                            2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                            2004 Gran Turismo 4
                            2004 Half Life 2
                            2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                            2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                            2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                            2005 Psychonauts
                            2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                            2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                            2006 Ōkami
                            2007 BioShock
                            2007 Dark Souls
                            2007 Mass Effect
                            2007 Portal
                            2008 Clonk Rage
                            2008 Left 4 Dead
                            2008 Mirror's Edge
                            2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                            2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                            2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                            2009 Killing Floor
                            2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                            2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                            2009 Steins;Gate
                            2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                            2010 Limbo
                            2010 Nier
                            2010 Planet Minigolf
                            2011 Bastion
                            2011 Portal 2
                            2011 Terraria
                            2011 The Binding of Isaac
                            2012 Hotline Miami
                            2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                            2012 Tokyo Jungle
                            2014 Forza Horizon 2
                            2014 LISA: The Painful
                            2015 Bloodborne
                            2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                            2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                            2015 Undertale
                            2016 Doom (2016)
                            2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                            2016 Stardew Valley
                            2016 The Witness
                            2016 Titanfall 2
                            2016 Tyranny
                            2017 Little Nightmares
                            2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                            2017 Nier: Automata
                            2017 Night in the Woods
                            2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                            2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                            2018 Celeste
                            2018 Donut County
                            2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                            2018 Rimworld
                            2018 Subnautica
                            2019 A Short Hike
                            2019 Disco Elysium
                            2019 Outer Wilds
                            2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                            2019 Slay the Spire
                            2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                            2020 Factorio
                            2020 Hades
                            2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                            2021 Psychonauts 2
                            2022 Elden Ring
                            2022 Lil Gator Game
                            2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                            2023 Dave the Diver
                            2024 Balatro
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                            1996: Duke Nukem 3D

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                              Honestly, many of them you know full well, but that's because yes, they are that good:

                              • Minecraft
                              • TES III Morrowind and TES V Skyrim
                              • The Witcher 1 and 3
                              • Deus Ex Human Revolution and Mankind Divided
                              • Cyberpunk 2077
                              • Dishonored 1 and 2
                              • Warcraft III and World of Warcraft

                              Completely deserve their legendary status

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                                Team Fortress 2

                                The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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                                It does have a couple sore points. The whole aimbots running rampant was awful. And it was one of the first major games to introduce and popularize micro transactions.

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                                  I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

                                  It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

                                  If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

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                                  The lack of gameplay is fine, and very much important to call out for any new players. There's a whole genre of "you're playing a movie" that SOMA fits nicely into

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                                    Chromehounds was the greatest mech game on shitbox 360 and you can't change my mind.

                                    The sheer variety in player created metas was glorious to behold. Sure, you could play how the game encouraged you to play and hang your weapons in "normal" configurations. But you could also bury whole teams in indirect fire with a triple double from across the map. You could build a little punchy boi buggy with a dick piston, cockpit, wheels, and nothing else. You could even try to sweat the meta in the chicken leg howitzer or the turtle up in the armored crab.

                                    The only limits were creativity and spacer availability lmfaooo

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                                    It's pretty wack that we haven't since had a game that captures many of the better elements of Chrome hounds.

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                                      Okay, now do it all on a bell curve.

                                      What's the most absolute medium game, to which all other games are compared to, and if worse, fail, or are better and pass?

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                                      Hell I'd make that a separate post!

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                                        I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.

                                        To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.

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                                        The thing that not holds well in Ocarina of Time is the N64 controls and like what they supposed to do to overcome that?

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                                          Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                                          Release Date Game
                                          1980 Pac-Man
                                          1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                                          1985 Tetris
                                          1986 Kid Icarus
                                          1988 Mega Man 2
                                          1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                                          1988 The Guardian Legend
                                          1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                                          1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                                          1989 Monster Party
                                          1989 Populous
                                          1989 Sweet Home
                                          1990 Dr. Mario
                                          1990 Final Fantasy III
                                          1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                                          1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                                          1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                                          1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                                          1992 Super Mario Kart
                                          1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                                          1993 Doom
                                          1993 Gauntlet IV
                                          1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                                          1993 Mega Man X
                                          1994 Donkey Kong Country
                                          1994 Earthworm Jim
                                          1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                                          1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                                          1994 Super Metroid
                                          1994 The Lion King
                                          1995 Chrono Trigger
                                          1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                                          1997 Diablo
                                          1997 Final Fantasy VII
                                          1997 Mega Man X4
                                          1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                                          1997 Snowboard Kids
                                          1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                                          1998 Metal Gear Solid
                                          1998 Sonic Adventure
                                          1998 South Park
                                          1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                                          1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                                          1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                                          1999 Planescape: Torment
                                          1999 Quake III Arena
                                          1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                                          1999 Silent Hill
                                          1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                                          1999 Sven Co-op
                                          1999 Unreal Tournament
                                          1999 Worms Armageddon
                                          2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                                          2000 Diablo II
                                          2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                                          2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                                          2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                                          2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                                          2001 Final Fantasy X
                                          2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                                          2001 Shenmue II
                                          2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                                          2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                                          2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                                          2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                                          2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                                          2004 Champions of Norrath
                                          2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                                          2004 Gran Turismo 4
                                          2004 Half Life 2
                                          2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                                          2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                                          2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                                          2005 Psychonauts
                                          2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                                          2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                                          2006 Ōkami
                                          2007 BioShock
                                          2007 Dark Souls
                                          2007 Mass Effect
                                          2007 Portal
                                          2008 Clonk Rage
                                          2008 Left 4 Dead
                                          2008 Mirror's Edge
                                          2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                                          2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                                          2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                                          2009 Killing Floor
                                          2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                                          2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                                          2009 Steins;Gate
                                          2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                                          2010 Limbo
                                          2010 Nier
                                          2010 Planet Minigolf
                                          2011 Bastion
                                          2011 Portal 2
                                          2011 Terraria
                                          2011 The Binding of Isaac
                                          2012 Hotline Miami
                                          2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                                          2012 Tokyo Jungle
                                          2014 Forza Horizon 2
                                          2014 LISA: The Painful
                                          2015 Bloodborne
                                          2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                                          2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                                          2015 Undertale
                                          2016 Doom (2016)
                                          2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                                          2016 Stardew Valley
                                          2016 The Witness
                                          2016 Titanfall 2
                                          2016 Tyranny
                                          2017 Little Nightmares
                                          2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                                          2017 Nier: Automata
                                          2017 Night in the Woods
                                          2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                                          2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                                          2018 Celeste
                                          2018 Donut County
                                          2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                                          2018 Rimworld
                                          2018 Subnautica
                                          2019 A Short Hike
                                          2019 Disco Elysium
                                          2019 Outer Wilds
                                          2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                                          2019 Slay the Spire
                                          2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                                          2020 Factorio
                                          2020 Hades
                                          2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                                          2021 Psychonauts 2
                                          2022 Elden Ring
                                          2022 Lil Gator Game
                                          2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                                          2023 Dave the Diver
                                          2024 Balatro
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                                          The only game I kinda like on this list is Okami.

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