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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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  • coelacanth@feddit.nuC [email protected]

    Disco Elysium is definitely closer to the visual novel spectrum of video games than it is to something like Tetris. But make no mistakes, its narrative and impact would be much lessened were it delivered in any other medium. It is absolutely a perfect example of how you use video games to make art.

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    How do you even begin to care about anything in that game when you are basically mashing buttons for hours and just listening to people complain about how shit life is?

    I get its an art piece of living the existence you are thrown into but it feels like a confusing mess even gameplay wise for the starting hours that people that have finished it I feel miss how unfun it is at first.

    I didn't even know why I was now stuck on the other side of a wall in a union dispute and I just couldn't be bothered to restart the game to try something else after how long it took to get dressed the first time.

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      This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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      Right... So what game gets the most of those bits the most right?

      That's how you start to separate out the best. Not that complex.

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        I always forget how absolutely awesome Escape From Butcher Bay is until I'm reminded of its existence and its shockingly unfair to that game.

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        I'd kill for a new Riddick game!

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          The Spyro the dragon trilogy for me is just an absolute masterpiece.

          Final Fantasy VII, IX and X are three master pieces

          Metroid prime and fusion

          Fatal Frame trilogy on the PlayStation 2, Forbidden Siren, Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil 2 are amongst the best of the best

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          I do think the Spyro games are probably the absolute best of the collect-a-thon genre. Joyful and fun and with fun puzzles. I am worried I am too biased to say it though since I have 120%/100%/117% beat the games multiple multiple multiple times.

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            What's left of edith finch.

            Such an amazing game. Absolute masterpiece.

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              How come no one has mentioned “Life is strange” yet? Also, “A plague tale”.

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              The intro to a plague tale... Jesus.

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                I'd kill for a new Riddick game!

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                I still think the series is actually the best Space Opera and I do mean opera. But they have some great stories.

                I'd love another Riddick game too. I'll settle for the 4th movie I guess for now

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                  • Portal 1/2 of course.
                  • Grim Fandango. (Flawed yes, but absolutely a masterpiece)
                  • Psychonauts.
                  • Fallout New Vegas.
                  • System Shock (the original).
                  • The Longest Journey.
                  • Mass Effect. Maybe.
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                    I think Bioshock 1, Inscryption, Portal 1 & 2(I believe that 2 wouldn't be so loved if we didn't already love 1, I like to think of them as a set), Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil, Nier Automata, and Okami.

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                    Glad to see Okami mentioned here. It was poorly marketed, which basically killed the development company… But it was so good.

                    Some people have called it the best Zelda game never made, and I believe the description is accurate. It has all of the mechanics of Zelda’s puzzlebox dungeons. It’s just a different setting, and the “tools” to solve the puzzles are your brush abilities.

                    My only real complaint about the game is that it was long. Like every time I expected the game to be wrapping up, it would introduce an entirely new region. But that length also meant it was able to deliver a fully self-contained story that didn’t rely on cliffhangers (sequels) to finish. Sure there were some sequels, but the original story stands on its own without them.

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                      Team Fortress 2

                      The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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                        Team Fortress 2

                        The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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                        And the character trailers are hilarious.

                        "That thing ... It scares me," Pyro shooting bubbles and lollypops in his mind actually causing pure death and destruction

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                          I do think the Spyro games are probably the absolute best of the collect-a-thon genre. Joyful and fun and with fun puzzles. I am worried I am too biased to say it though since I have 120%/100%/117% beat the games multiple multiple multiple times.

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                          Hey, you and me man xD

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                            What's left of edith finch.

                            Such an amazing game. Absolute masterpiece.

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                            This is the game I used to convince my film nerd friends that games can be art too. They really enjoyed playing through it!

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                              How do you even begin to care about anything in that game when you are basically mashing buttons for hours and just listening to people complain about how shit life is?

                              I get its an art piece of living the existence you are thrown into but it feels like a confusing mess even gameplay wise for the starting hours that people that have finished it I feel miss how unfun it is at first.

                              I didn't even know why I was now stuck on the other side of a wall in a union dispute and I just couldn't be bothered to restart the game to try something else after how long it took to get dressed the first time.

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                              The game is not for everyone. That's okay. Rothko paintings are worth tens of millions of dollars and I completely do not get them at all.

                              I will give you that there are two soft locks early on that are a little too easy to stumble into and it is for sure the game's biggest flaw.

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                                Elden Ring

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                                  Games I haven't seen mentioned yet:

                                  • Fez - cute little 2D/3D platformer. It's amazing and very wholesome

                                  • Stalker: Shadow of Chenrobyl - dunno what exactly is it, perhaps the settings and the grit, but it has a special place in my heart. It's about average FPS, but not too long and for me enjoyable

                                  • F.E.A.R. - very good FPS, with amazingly scripted enemies, decent horror elements (not compulsory - you might miss some of them if you're not looking).

                                  • Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - for me the best 3rd person action adventure ever. Best combat hands down (or head, or torso, you choose), streamlined blade dance at your fingertips. You play with your enemies, and you get many tools. There are some locked camera issues.

                                  • Touhou: Lost branch of time - If you liked Slay the Spire, but wished for colorful mana, this is the game for you. It has anime artstyle, I usually focus on the cards, though it might turn some people off

                                  • Dota 2 - Dunno if it was mentioned and I didn't see, but the mechanics are absolutely amazing, the things the game lets you get away with are incredible. 10/10, but other people might bring your experience down. Specially friends. Can play against custom (workshop) bots. Still takes too long to git gud. I studied the game for 10 years and still sucked.

                                  • Divinity 2: Original Sin - also haven't seen a mention, everybody talks about BG3, I haven't yet played it, but D2:OS was also a masterpiece. Haven't played a lot of TRPGs, this was a blast, with easily set up multiplayer. Played through it twice completely, with many abandoned runs.

                                  • CS 1.6 - remember that? I lost my childhood to that. They don't make counter strikes this good anymore.

                                  • Synthetik - top-down rougelike shooter, with amazing weapons and physics and classes and enemies and mechanics and 2 person multiplayer

                                  • Dwarf Fortress - the real objectively best game 😄 strategy simulation of the 3D box world, predecesor to both Minecraft and Terraria, but with A LOT more sand in your box. They are still extending it. And it's on Steam if you want a UI.

                                  • Terraria (Calamity mod) - Terraria is obviously a great game, but what makes it 20/10 is the mods. Calamity specifically. Tripple the content, 5x the difficulty (20x if you try Infernum), amazing multiplayer experience. Don't install Infernum if you haven't beaten at least Revengeance on Calamity. Trust me, it will fuck you up.

                                  • Yakuza 0 - how could I forget about this masterpiece? Story done absolutely right, that game had no business making me feel so strongly about it. Cool combat, very funny moments, but I cried during it. If you haven't tried it, check it out. You won't regret it.

                                  • OpenTTD - Trains. Do you like to create and manage big rail systems? This is for you. And your friends. Only noobs use planes. Only psychos use boats. Nobody uses only vehicles.

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                                  I love that you included 1.6. I spent my all teenage years staying up all night playing this. I was thinking single player epics but this is absolutely a masterpiece.

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                                    Minesweeper.

                                    Simple, endlessly playable.

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                                      Journey

                                      There is not a single word in the game, barely any control but the game take you through an emotional story.

                                      It's multiplayer in a sense that you might meet another player, they can help you, you can help them or just continue on your path and despite not having any words it just fell like a genuine, pure connection with someone.

                                      And the music is amazing.

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                                      Journey is an Art masterpiece, but one that you need to already appreciate Art to enjoy.
                                      I got friends to try it, some of them enjoyed the experience, others found it boring as hell.

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                                        I'd say games that have set the standard for their genre, and have not been surpassed, would be the only ones that count.

                                        • Half Life 1 and then again with 2
                                        • Half Life Alyx
                                        • Age of Empires II
                                        • Baldur's Gate 3
                                        • Warframe
                                        • Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando
                                        • Knights of the Old Republic
                                        • Fallout: New Vegas
                                        • Crash Bandicoot: Warped
                                        • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
                                        • The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and then again with Tears of the Kingdom
                                        • Elden Ring
                                        • Hollow Knight
                                        • Dirt Rally
                                        • The World Ends With You (the original NDS version)
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                                          SOMA was great

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                                          I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

                                          It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

                                          If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

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