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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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  • A alexaralvarado@infosec.pub
    28 May 2025, 23:13

    Supergiant games' holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.

    Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don't believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.

    There's also one other, but you'll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.

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    jackbydev@programming.dev
    wrote on 29 May 2025, 06:54 last edited by jackbydev@programming.dev
    #198

    Feels odd to include Pyre over Hades.

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      gamechld@lemmy.world
      wrote on 29 May 2025, 07:09 last edited by
      #199

      Super Metroid

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      • B blametheantifa@lemmy.world
        29 May 2025, 05:06

        Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
        Disco Elysium
        Alpha Centauri
        Super Marios Bros 3
        Bloodborne
        Ori 1 & 2
        Fallout 1 & 2
        Planescape: Torment
        The Outer Wilds

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        tillman@lemmy.world
        wrote on 29 May 2025, 07:20 last edited by tillman@lemmy.world
        #200

        Atari: Frogger
        NES: RBI Baseball / Tecmo Bowl.

        Genesis: Phantasy Star IV
        N64: Ocarina.
        PSX: FF IX.

        PSP: Lumines

        Saturn: Panzer Dragoon
        Dreamcast: Rez and Skies of Arcadia

        PS2 Vice City

        XBOX: PD Orta
        360: Child of Eden / Shadow Complex

        PC agree with all yours. Would add Syndicate, Witcher 3, & red alert
        DS: Dawn of Sorrow
        Neo Geo: Last Blade 2

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          atlien51@lemm.ee
          wrote on 29 May 2025, 11:38 last edited by
          #201

          Halo 1-3

          Forza horizon 2 & 3

          COD blacc ops 1-2

          MW 1 + 2

          Need for Speed Most Wanted/Underground/2/Carbon

          More I can’t think of rn

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          • I idunnololz@lemmy.world
            29 May 2025, 06:49

            Do you think Return of the Obra Dinn would belong alongside these or is that game too flawed by comparison? I ask because I myself am not sure.

            Oh, actually Disco Elysium would fit right in here as well as a "fully-realized microcosms where the primary game is unfolding the complex origami of the setting".

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            zoomboingding@lemmy.world
            wrote on 29 May 2025, 14:25 last edited by
            #202

            Haven't actually played these two but from what I gather, they definitely fit the list!

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              theblips@lemm.ee
              wrote on 29 May 2025, 15:07 last edited by
              #203

              Celeste. Emotional narrative that seamlessly blends with the gameplay, which implementa never before seen accessibility configuration, enhanced by one of the best soundtracks ever. All while being cheap, indie, and one of the best speedrun games ever made

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                ledoudou@jlai.lu
                wrote on 29 May 2025, 15:44 last edited by
                #204

                How come no one has mentioned “Life is strange” yet? Also, “A plague tale”.

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                • D dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
                  28 May 2025, 14:57

                  Historically a masterpiece has been a (or the) work that demonstrates an artist is capable of utilizing their medium to its fullest extent, i.e. it has been mastered. Per ye olde Wiki:

                  Historically, a "masterpiece" was a work of a very high standard produced by an apprentice to obtain full membership, as a "master", of a guild or academy in various areas of the visual arts and crafts.

                  In that light, I'd say the best qualified would be games that completely utilized the capabilities of the platform they were designed for or, perhaps of interest to more people, expanded what everyone thought could be done with those systems. Games which were furthermore well polished and complete, and did not have much room for improvement taking into account the constraints they had to work with at the time. (For instance: No duh we could make Mario 64 run at a higher framerate and have better textures to look nicer on hardware now. That doesn't mean it wasn't arguably a masterpiece of its time, on the system it was on.) This doesn't just have to be technical stuff -- It could be the way the game used storytelling, its gameplay mechanics, or anything else.

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                  icastfist@programming.dev
                  wrote on 29 May 2025, 16:29 last edited by
                  #205

                  Spyro and Crash trilogies on the PSX, as well as the Quake 2 port, would definitely merit being called technical masterpieces

                  On the original Xbox, Phantom Dust would fit that bill, despite being a commercial failure at the time. The tldr is that you create a collection of spells (attacks, traps, dodges, curses, buffs) and try to grab them and the "mana" during the real time duels, in order to beat your opponents. Terrain is semi destructible and you have to take into consideration the trajectory of your spells - https://www.xbox.com/games/store/phantom-dust/9PCDNBHR11MR

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                  • Z zoomboingding@lemmy.world
                    28 May 2025, 17:17

                    Have you played Prey? Only other game to scratch that same itch for me.

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                    icastfist@programming.dev
                    wrote on 29 May 2025, 16:30 last edited by
                    #206

                    Prey 2017 or Prey 2006?

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                    • B blametheantifa@lemmy.world
                      29 May 2025, 05:23

                      Nioh 2 is one of my favorite soulslikes, but falls short of masterpiece in my opinion due to the repeatedly recycled levels.

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                      homicidalrobot@lemm.ee
                      wrote on 29 May 2025, 17:35 last edited by
                      #207

                      Have you played the mainline souls titles? The NG+ system in Nioh 2 leads out into new unique maps (The abyss) rather than being the same game with revamped enemy placement and health nine times lol.

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                        deflated0ne@lemmy.world
                        wrote on 29 May 2025, 17:58 last edited by
                        #208

                        RDR2. Witcher 3. Fallout New Vegas.

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                        • D deflated0ne@lemmy.world
                          29 May 2025, 17:58

                          RDR2. Witcher 3. Fallout New Vegas.

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                          felixcress@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:03 last edited by
                          #209

                          Fallout 2

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                          • F felixcress@lemmy.world
                            29 May 2025, 18:03

                            Fallout 2

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                            deflated0ne@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:04 last edited by
                            #210

                            Wasteland 3.

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                            • D deflated0ne@lemmy.world
                              29 May 2025, 18:04

                              Wasteland 3.

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                              felixcress@lemmy.world
                              wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:10 last edited by
                              #211

                              In this case, Jagged Alliance 2 (with 1.13 mod).

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                              • E elevator7009@lemmy.zip
                                28 May 2025, 14:33

                                Curious to hear what the criteria for "masterpiece" is, otherwise I think it is just peoples' subjective opinion of what makes a great game that they also think others might agree about being a great game. Genuinely curious, interested in discussion, not saying this to shut down any of the answers here.

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                                kohbaby@lemmy.world
                                wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:10 last edited by
                                #212

                                In my mind a masterpiece video game can't be copied. Or at least if someone tried it would just be called a cheap clone of the original.

                                Then again everything can be copied but the more difficult it is to copy the closer it is to a masterpiece IMO.

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                                • A ashiette@lemmy.world
                                  29 May 2025, 05:41

                                  There are a lot of answers, mine will be drowned but... there it is. In no particular order :

                                  • Final Fantasy X
                                  • Clair Obscur : Expedition 33
                                  • Baldur's Gate 3
                                  • Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 (but you had to be there when it came out)
                                  • Metal Gear Solid 3
                                  • Shadow Hearts : Covenant
                                  • Kya : Dark Lineage (the bugs were a feature)
                                  • Horizon : Zero Dawn
                                  • Megaman (any megaman will do)
                                  • Crash Bandicoot Trilogy
                                  • Spyro Trilogy
                                  • Pokemon Yellow/Crystal/Emerald
                                  • Pokemon Jade (yes that bootleg version)
                                  • The Last of Us (pt. I & II)
                                  • Astroneer
                                  • GTA : Vice City
                                  • Unreal Tournament 2004
                                  • CS 1.6 played in the most dirty lan at your disposal
                                  • Control
                                  • Tetris
                                  • Neverwinter Nights 2
                                  • Dragon Age : Origins
                                  • Quake III
                                  • Bomberman
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                                  languageiscool@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:17 last edited by
                                  #213

                                  Just started BG3. Fuckin mind-blowingly amazing.

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                                    scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                    wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:21 last edited by
                                    #214

                                    Okay, now do it all on a bell curve.

                                    What's the most absolute medium game, to which all other games are compared to, and if worse, fail, or are better and pass?

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                                      shardikprime@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:25 last edited by
                                      #215

                                      Spec Ops: The line

                                      Basically the "committing war crimes isn't funny after all" game

                                      This is your fault, god-damnit 🫵

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                                      • E essell@lemmy.world
                                        28 May 2025, 15:07

                                        My Picks...

                                        Deus Ex (So many games try to be this and fail)

                                        Cyberpunk (This one eventually measured up)

                                        Alpha Centauri (Innovation mixed with familiarity and setting)

                                        Fallout 2 (they're all good. Fallout 2 is special)

                                        Kotor (Star Wars story telling in a beautiful way)

                                        Baldur's Gate 2 and 3 (I'm stunned that 3 was a worthy successor)

                                        Homeworld (One of the World's truly beautiful games)

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                                        blackmist@feddit.uk
                                        wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:35 last edited by
                                        #216

                                        Phantom Liberty is where Cyberpunk becomes a masterpiece.

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                                        • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                          29 May 2025, 18:21

                                          Okay, now do it all on a bell curve.

                                          What's the most absolute medium game, to which all other games are compared to, and if worse, fail, or are better and pass?

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                                          coelacanth@feddit.nu
                                          wrote on 29 May 2025, 18:42 last edited by
                                          #217

                                          Oooooh I like that question. I feel like it would have to be some kind of Call of Duty, right? Some absolutely mediocre slop that still has enough mechanical satisfaction and mind-numbing explosion-and-cliché-filled story to keep you somewhat entertained, yet still remaining completely forgettable.

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