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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
    Disco Elysium
    Alpha Centauri
    Super Marios Bros 3
    Bloodborne
    Ori 1 & 2
    Fallout 1 & 2
    Planescape: Torment
    The Outer Wilds

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      I see Outer Wilds here but not Nioh 2, so I'm posting about Nioh 2.

      Soulsian adventure with ninja gaiden blood, extremely high amount of endgame content, wild depth of character building, lots of avenues to increase your character's power with many "correct answers" to the question of "how should I make my dude stronger". Dropped a while before the most recent push for graphical fidelity with AI upscaling/antialiasing so it actually runs well on a large majority of steam hardware surveys machines.

      It's hard early on, but provides the player with tons of options when it comes to progressing through stages and bosses, flexible movesets for each class of weapon and access to potent tools like Gun and turning into an enemy that killed you a dozen times the first time you saw it briefly. The endgame goes beyond replaying through the game into dungeons made of fragments of the stages and some more unique maps (The Abyss). There's a hefty amount of individual bosses to learn, and incentive to do some of the more fun fights in the game multiple times - a lot of which do not require a run back through a stage to get to them. The game does itself a service by breaking up gameplay into chunks with a world map you launch missions from, some of which are just a singular straight up boss fight.

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      Nioh 2 is one of my favorite soulslikes, but falls short of masterpiece in my opinion due to the repeatedly recycled levels.

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        Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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          #191

          There are a lot of answers, mine will be drowned but... there it is. In no particular order :

          • Final Fantasy X
          • Clair Obscur : Expedition 33
          • Baldur's Gate 3
          • Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 (but you had to be there when it came out)
          • Metal Gear Solid 3
          • Shadow Hearts : Covenant
          • Kya : Dark Lineage (the bugs were a feature)
          • Horizon : Zero Dawn
          • Megaman (any megaman will do)
          • Crash Bandicoot Trilogy
          • Spyro Trilogy
          • Pokemon Yellow/Crystal/Emerald
          • Pokemon Jade (yes that bootleg version)
          • The Last of Us (pt. I & II)
          • Astroneer
          • GTA : Vice City
          • Unreal Tournament 2004
          • CS 1.6 played in the most dirty lan at your disposal
          • Control
          • Tetris
          • Neverwinter Nights 2
          • Dragon Age : Origins
          • Quake III
          • Bomberman
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            Bloodborne.

            It’s also easy to tell most lemmyzens are PC gamers since I hardly saw anyone mention it and it is OBJECTIVELY THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE.

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            While I am primarily a PC gamer, it really is the best thing From Software has ever done and an objective masterpiece. I sometimes waffle between whether Bloodborne or Sekiro is my favorite, but regardless of my own preference, I do think Bloodborne is the best.

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            • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

              Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

              Release Date Game
              1980 Pac-Man
              1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
              1985 Tetris
              1986 Kid Icarus
              1988 Mega Man 2
              1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
              1988 The Guardian Legend
              1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
              1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
              1989 Monster Party
              1989 Populous
              1989 Sweet Home
              1990 Dr. Mario
              1990 Final Fantasy III
              1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
              1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
              1992 Ecco the Dolphin
              1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
              1992 Super Mario Kart
              1993 Dinopark Tycoon
              1993 Doom
              1993 Gauntlet IV
              1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
              1993 Mega Man X
              1994 Donkey Kong Country
              1994 Earthworm Jim
              1994 Sonic & Knuckles
              1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
              1994 Super Metroid
              1994 The Lion King
              1995 Chrono Trigger
              1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
              1997 Diablo
              1997 Final Fantasy VII
              1997 Mega Man X4
              1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
              1997 Snowboard Kids
              1998 Banjo-Kazooie
              1998 Metal Gear Solid
              1998 Sonic Adventure
              1998 South Park
              1998 StarCraft: Brood War
              1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
              1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
              1999 Planescape: Torment
              1999 Quake III Arena
              1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
              1999 Silent Hill
              1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
              1999 Sven Co-op
              1999 Unreal Tournament
              1999 Worms Armageddon
              2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
              2000 Diablo II
              2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
              2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
              2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
              2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
              2001 Final Fantasy X
              2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
              2001 Shenmue II
              2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
              2003 Beyond Good & Evil
              2003 Need for Speed: Underground
              2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
              2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
              2004 Champions of Norrath
              2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
              2004 Gran Turismo 4
              2004 Half Life 2
              2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
              2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
              2005 Champions: Return to Arms
              2005 Psychonauts
              2005 Shadow of the Colossus
              2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
              2006 Ōkami
              2007 BioShock
              2007 Dark Souls
              2007 Mass Effect
              2007 Portal
              2008 Clonk Rage
              2008 Left 4 Dead
              2008 Mirror's Edge
              2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
              2009 Dragon Age: Origins
              2009 Forza Motorsport 3
              2009 Killing Floor
              2009 Left 4 Dead 2
              2009 Plants vs. Zombies
              2009 Steins;Gate
              2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
              2010 Limbo
              2010 Nier
              2010 Planet Minigolf
              2011 Bastion
              2011 Portal 2
              2011 Terraria
              2011 The Binding of Isaac
              2012 Hotline Miami
              2012 The House in Fata Morgana
              2012 Tokyo Jungle
              2014 Forza Horizon 2
              2014 LISA: The Painful
              2015 Bloodborne
              2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
              2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
              2015 Undertale
              2016 Doom (2016)
              2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
              2016 Stardew Valley
              2016 The Witness
              2016 Titanfall 2
              2016 Tyranny
              2017 Little Nightmares
              2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
              2017 Nier: Automata
              2017 Night in the Woods
              2017 Super Mario Odyssey
              2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
              2018 Celeste
              2018 Donut County
              2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
              2018 Rimworld
              2018 Subnautica
              2019 A Short Hike
              2019 Disco Elysium
              2019 Outer Wilds
              2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
              2019 Slay the Spire
              2020 Cyberpunk 2077
              2020 Factorio
              2020 Hades
              2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
              2021 Psychonauts 2
              2022 Elden Ring
              2022 Lil Gator Game
              2023 Baldur's Gate 3
              2023 Dave the Diver
              2024 Balatro
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              #193

              Missing Half-life (the first one).
              That game was the first one to feature scripted scenes during player interaction and it was mind-blowing.
              Plus, it had the most sophisticated story ever seen in an FPS before.

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                I love STALKER with all my heart, and if we're talking atmosphere and vibes and even world building it is up there. But it does not really belong in the objective masterpiece category. Flawed masterpiece, maybe.

                Also I think Call of Pripyat is the better STALKER game, but it might be controversial.

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                Yeah, but it still popped into my mind sooner than other games, dunno why,

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                  Metro 2033. Played it in the dark with good surround sound headphones on, and it's positively claustrophobic.

                  Last Light is good too, but at little too optimistic IMHO. 2033 nails that endless pit of despair feeling, with just enough lucky breaks that you might make it through.

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                    I remember trying the demo to Homeworld when I was a kid, it came with one of those old school PC GAMER demo CDs. I think I was too young to understand how to play it effectively, but still loved it because I found the ambience of the experience so memorizing while hyper-cozy. Would you say it she's well as something worth going back and playing now, and what of the sequel(s)?

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                    I still repplay now and then, there's no game like it.

                    Sadly the sequals failed to capture the grace of the original, though I've not tried 3 yet.

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                    • zoomboingding@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                      Prey, System Shock 2, Outer Wilds, and Undertale are fully-realized microcosms where the primary game is unfolding the complex origami of the setting. All of them absolutely beautiful to experience.

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                      Do you think Return of the Obra Dinn would belong alongside these or is that game too flawed by comparison? I ask because I myself am not sure.

                      Oh, actually Disco Elysium would fit right in here as well as a "fully-realized microcosms where the primary game is unfolding the complex origami of the setting".

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                        Supergiant games' holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.

                        Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don't believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.

                        There's also one other, but you'll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.

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                        Feels odd to include Pyre over Hades.

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                          Super Metroid

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                            Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
                            Disco Elysium
                            Alpha Centauri
                            Super Marios Bros 3
                            Bloodborne
                            Ori 1 & 2
                            Fallout 1 & 2
                            Planescape: Torment
                            The Outer Wilds

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                            Atari: Frogger
                            NES: RBI Baseball / Tecmo Bowl.

                            Genesis: Phantasy Star IV
                            N64: Ocarina.
                            PSX: FF IX.

                            PSP: Lumines

                            Saturn: Panzer Dragoon
                            Dreamcast: Rez and Skies of Arcadia

                            PS2 Vice City

                            XBOX: PD Orta
                            360: Child of Eden / Shadow Complex

                            PC agree with all yours. Would add Syndicate, Witcher 3, & red alert
                            DS: Dawn of Sorrow
                            Neo Geo: Last Blade 2

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                              Halo 1-3

                              Forza horizon 2 & 3

                              COD blacc ops 1-2

                              MW 1 + 2

                              Need for Speed Most Wanted/Underground/2/Carbon

                              More I can’t think of rn

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                                Do you think Return of the Obra Dinn would belong alongside these or is that game too flawed by comparison? I ask because I myself am not sure.

                                Oh, actually Disco Elysium would fit right in here as well as a "fully-realized microcosms where the primary game is unfolding the complex origami of the setting".

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                                Haven't actually played these two but from what I gather, they definitely fit the list!

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                                  Celeste. Emotional narrative that seamlessly blends with the gameplay, which implementa never before seen accessibility configuration, enhanced by one of the best soundtracks ever. All while being cheap, indie, and one of the best speedrun games ever made

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                                    How come no one has mentioned “Life is strange” yet? Also, “A plague tale”.

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                                    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                      Historically a masterpiece has been a (or the) work that demonstrates an artist is capable of utilizing their medium to its fullest extent, i.e. it has been mastered. Per ye olde Wiki:

                                      Historically, a "masterpiece" was a work of a very high standard produced by an apprentice to obtain full membership, as a "master", of a guild or academy in various areas of the visual arts and crafts.

                                      In that light, I'd say the best qualified would be games that completely utilized the capabilities of the platform they were designed for or, perhaps of interest to more people, expanded what everyone thought could be done with those systems. Games which were furthermore well polished and complete, and did not have much room for improvement taking into account the constraints they had to work with at the time. (For instance: No duh we could make Mario 64 run at a higher framerate and have better textures to look nicer on hardware now. That doesn't mean it wasn't arguably a masterpiece of its time, on the system it was on.) This doesn't just have to be technical stuff -- It could be the way the game used storytelling, its gameplay mechanics, or anything else.

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                                      Spyro and Crash trilogies on the PSX, as well as the Quake 2 port, would definitely merit being called technical masterpieces

                                      On the original Xbox, Phantom Dust would fit that bill, despite being a commercial failure at the time. The tldr is that you create a collection of spells (attacks, traps, dodges, curses, buffs) and try to grab them and the "mana" during the real time duels, in order to beat your opponents. Terrain is semi destructible and you have to take into consideration the trajectory of your spells - https://www.xbox.com/games/store/phantom-dust/9PCDNBHR11MR

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                                      • zoomboingding@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                                        Have you played Prey? Only other game to scratch that same itch for me.

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                                        Prey 2017 or Prey 2006?

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                                          Nioh 2 is one of my favorite soulslikes, but falls short of masterpiece in my opinion due to the repeatedly recycled levels.

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                                          Have you played the mainline souls titles? The NG+ system in Nioh 2 leads out into new unique maps (The abyss) rather than being the same game with revamped enemy placement and health nine times lol.

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