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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    Supergiant games' holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.

    Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don't believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.

    There's also one other, but you'll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.

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      The DS had plenty of fantastic games, but when it comes to a game I feel had the most beautiful example of using the controls in a creative way, I'd say The World Ends With You takes the cake.

      I've literally never played a game that needed such a high degree of multitasking, not just for mental multitasking, but also hand-eye coordination. Playing that game on Hard mode felt crazy, and I literally never unlocked Master mode. Balancing between the top and bottom screen characters was such a challenge, especially if you're actually trying to make use of the green puck for more damage. The fact that each partner has their own battle method is fantastic too, as you never get too comfortable with one character until you finish the game.

      Add in fantastic art design, catchy soundtrack, funny & memorable main cast, and you get absolute peak. I can't believe Square let that game rot for more than a decade. The Neo TWEWY sequel was pretty good too, but nothing will literally ever compare to the original's controls. It's just so addicting man.

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        Last of Us 1 was really good. But the second one was so bad, it kind of ruined the first one for me as well. And I wouldn't call it masterpiece. Because for me a masterpiece shines in gameplay, narrative and atmosphere. The Last of Us' gameplay serves its purpose, but there's really nothing special here compared to e.g. Elden Ring, were story, atmosphere and gameplay are all pretty much perfect.

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        How was the second one “so bad?” It had incredible narrative, more in depth gameplay, challenging and coherent themes, depth of storytelling, it took risks that a lot of people didn’t like, but you can’t say they were done poorly. They were just challenging for people. And that’s good. The same stories told with the same character arcs following the same hero’s journey is boring. TLOU2 challenged you with the characters making choices you wouldn’t, it challenged you with co placated character arcs that saw well-loved characters turn into the villains, while the villain of the story became the one to end the cycle of violence…it was incredible. That worldbuilding, the design, the voice acting, the mocap acting, the more varied fighting styles, the expansive world…I mean, shit, I really do want to know what you thought actually classified as “bad” about that game. It pissed people off. But that does not make it a bad game by any stretch of the imagination.

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          Was it the game, or was it the life you had while playing the game?

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          The game itself, for me. I played it through a few times when it first came out, and then very recently I got it on Steam and played again for the first time since. Still as poignant.

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            Slay the Spire

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              Games I haven't seen mentioned yet:

              • Fez - cute little 2D/3D platformer. It's amazing and very wholesome

              • Stalker: Shadow of Chenrobyl - dunno what exactly is it, perhaps the settings and the grit, but it has a special place in my heart. It's about average FPS, but not too long and for me enjoyable

              • F.E.A.R. - very good FPS, with amazingly scripted enemies, decent horror elements (not compulsory - you might miss some of them if you're not looking).

              • Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - for me the best 3rd person action adventure ever. Best combat hands down (or head, or torso, you choose), streamlined blade dance at your fingertips. You play with your enemies, and you get many tools. There are some locked camera issues.

              • Touhou: Lost branch of time - If you liked Slay the Spire, but wished for colorful mana, this is the game for you. It has anime artstyle, I usually focus on the cards, though it might turn some people off

              • Dota 2 - Dunno if it was mentioned and I didn't see, but the mechanics are absolutely amazing, the things the game lets you get away with are incredible. 10/10, but other people might bring your experience down. Specially friends. Can play against custom (workshop) bots. Still takes too long to git gud. I studied the game for 10 years and still sucked.

              • Divinity 2: Original Sin - also haven't seen a mention, everybody talks about BG3, I haven't yet played it, but D2:OS was also a masterpiece. Haven't played a lot of TRPGs, this was a blast, with easily set up multiplayer. Played through it twice completely, with many abandoned runs.

              • CS 1.6 - remember that? I lost my childhood to that. They don't make counter strikes this good anymore.

              • Synthetik - top-down rougelike shooter, with amazing weapons and physics and classes and enemies and mechanics and 2 person multiplayer

              • Dwarf Fortress - the real objectively best game 😄 strategy simulation of the 3D box world, predecesor to both Minecraft and Terraria, but with A LOT more sand in your box. They are still extending it. And it's on Steam if you want a UI.

              • Terraria (Calamity mod) - Terraria is obviously a great game, but what makes it 20/10 is the mods. Calamity specifically. Tripple the content, 5x the difficulty (20x if you try Infernum), amazing multiplayer experience. Don't install Infernum if you haven't beaten at least Revengeance on Calamity. Trust me, it will fuck you up.

              • Yakuza 0 - how could I forget about this masterpiece? Story done absolutely right, that game had no business making me feel so strongly about it. Cool combat, very funny moments, but I cried during it. If you haven't tried it, check it out. You won't regret it.

              • OpenTTD - Trains. Do you like to create and manage big rail systems? This is for you. And your friends. Only noobs use planes. Only psychos use boats. Nobody uses only vehicles.

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              Good taste

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                #181

                Squarez Deluxe

                Originally a paid DOS game and the developer is a cool dude who changed it to freeware. You can download it on myabandonware or archive org. Then grab a free copy of DOSBox.

                In my view, it is the best shape packing game ever made, and it never really got its due, possibly in part to somewhat extra complexity, and partly from the time it came out.

                You learn the ropes in the early modes, but you really need to play on EXTREME Mode. There are many different special pieces, and you decide how to move them in the playfield and rotate them.

                There are mud traps and acid pits and missiles and bombs and traps. And you have to not only play the shape packing aspect, but you have to continually think about how to deploy these hazards, to your best advantage, or least disadvantage!

                Over the years, I continually come back to this game, and I have probably sunk over a thousand hours since I was young.

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                  Chromehounds was the greatest mech game on shitbox 360 and you can't change my mind.

                  The sheer variety in player created metas was glorious to behold. Sure, you could play how the game encouraged you to play and hang your weapons in "normal" configurations. But you could also bury whole teams in indirect fire with a triple double from across the map. You could build a little punchy boi buggy with a dick piston, cockpit, wheels, and nothing else. You could even try to sweat the meta in the chicken leg howitzer or the turtle up in the armored crab.

                  The only limits were creativity and spacer availability lmfaooo

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                    Hollow Knight is peak

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                      My Picks...

                      Deus Ex (So many games try to be this and fail)

                      Cyberpunk (This one eventually measured up)

                      Alpha Centauri (Innovation mixed with familiarity and setting)

                      Fallout 2 (they're all good. Fallout 2 is special)

                      Kotor (Star Wars story telling in a beautiful way)

                      Baldur's Gate 2 and 3 (I'm stunned that 3 was a worthy successor)

                      Homeworld (One of the World's truly beautiful games)

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                      I remember trying the demo to Homeworld when I was a kid, it came with one of those old school PC GAMER demo CDs. I think I was too young to understand how to play it effectively, but still loved it because I found the ambience of the experience so memorizing while hyper-cozy. Would you say it she's well as something worth going back and playing now, and what of the sequel(s)?

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                        Since I haven't seen it on here: FTL.

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                          Slay the Spire

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                          It's a niche masterpiece, but my 600 hours of play time agrees I am in that niche

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                            Supergiant games' holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.

                            Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don't believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.

                            There's also one other, but you'll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.

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                            Bastion and Transistor, sure. Without a doubt, imoactful clever stories that were well delivered.

                            Pyre always felt like a buggy mess tho. I tried multiple times to get into it but it's just not on the level of the first two.

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                              Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
                              Disco Elysium
                              Alpha Centauri
                              Super Marios Bros 3
                              Bloodborne
                              Ori 1 & 2
                              Fallout 1 & 2
                              Planescape: Torment
                              The Outer Wilds

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                                I see Outer Wilds here but not Nioh 2, so I'm posting about Nioh 2.

                                Soulsian adventure with ninja gaiden blood, extremely high amount of endgame content, wild depth of character building, lots of avenues to increase your character's power with many "correct answers" to the question of "how should I make my dude stronger". Dropped a while before the most recent push for graphical fidelity with AI upscaling/antialiasing so it actually runs well on a large majority of steam hardware surveys machines.

                                It's hard early on, but provides the player with tons of options when it comes to progressing through stages and bosses, flexible movesets for each class of weapon and access to potent tools like Gun and turning into an enemy that killed you a dozen times the first time you saw it briefly. The endgame goes beyond replaying through the game into dungeons made of fragments of the stages and some more unique maps (The Abyss). There's a hefty amount of individual bosses to learn, and incentive to do some of the more fun fights in the game multiple times - a lot of which do not require a run back through a stage to get to them. The game does itself a service by breaking up gameplay into chunks with a world map you launch missions from, some of which are just a singular straight up boss fight.

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                                Nioh 2 is one of my favorite soulslikes, but falls short of masterpiece in my opinion due to the repeatedly recycled levels.

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                                  Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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                                    There are a lot of answers, mine will be drowned but... there it is. In no particular order :

                                    • Final Fantasy X
                                    • Clair Obscur : Expedition 33
                                    • Baldur's Gate 3
                                    • Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 (but you had to be there when it came out)
                                    • Metal Gear Solid 3
                                    • Shadow Hearts : Covenant
                                    • Kya : Dark Lineage (the bugs were a feature)
                                    • Horizon : Zero Dawn
                                    • Megaman (any megaman will do)
                                    • Crash Bandicoot Trilogy
                                    • Spyro Trilogy
                                    • Pokemon Yellow/Crystal/Emerald
                                    • Pokemon Jade (yes that bootleg version)
                                    • The Last of Us (pt. I & II)
                                    • Astroneer
                                    • GTA : Vice City
                                    • Unreal Tournament 2004
                                    • CS 1.6 played in the most dirty lan at your disposal
                                    • Control
                                    • Tetris
                                    • Neverwinter Nights 2
                                    • Dragon Age : Origins
                                    • Quake III
                                    • Bomberman
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                                      Bloodborne.

                                      It’s also easy to tell most lemmyzens are PC gamers since I hardly saw anyone mention it and it is OBJECTIVELY THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE.

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                                      While I am primarily a PC gamer, it really is the best thing From Software has ever done and an objective masterpiece. I sometimes waffle between whether Bloodborne or Sekiro is my favorite, but regardless of my own preference, I do think Bloodborne is the best.

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                                        Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                                        Release Date Game
                                        1980 Pac-Man
                                        1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                                        1985 Tetris
                                        1986 Kid Icarus
                                        1988 Mega Man 2
                                        1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                                        1988 The Guardian Legend
                                        1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                                        1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                                        1989 Monster Party
                                        1989 Populous
                                        1989 Sweet Home
                                        1990 Dr. Mario
                                        1990 Final Fantasy III
                                        1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                                        1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                                        1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                                        1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                                        1992 Super Mario Kart
                                        1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                                        1993 Doom
                                        1993 Gauntlet IV
                                        1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                                        1993 Mega Man X
                                        1994 Donkey Kong Country
                                        1994 Earthworm Jim
                                        1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                                        1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                                        1994 Super Metroid
                                        1994 The Lion King
                                        1995 Chrono Trigger
                                        1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                                        1997 Diablo
                                        1997 Final Fantasy VII
                                        1997 Mega Man X4
                                        1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                                        1997 Snowboard Kids
                                        1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                                        1998 Metal Gear Solid
                                        1998 Sonic Adventure
                                        1998 South Park
                                        1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                                        1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                                        1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                                        1999 Planescape: Torment
                                        1999 Quake III Arena
                                        1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                                        1999 Silent Hill
                                        1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                                        1999 Sven Co-op
                                        1999 Unreal Tournament
                                        1999 Worms Armageddon
                                        2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                                        2000 Diablo II
                                        2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                                        2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                                        2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                                        2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                                        2001 Final Fantasy X
                                        2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                                        2001 Shenmue II
                                        2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                                        2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                                        2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                                        2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                                        2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                                        2004 Champions of Norrath
                                        2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                                        2004 Gran Turismo 4
                                        2004 Half Life 2
                                        2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                                        2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                                        2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                                        2005 Psychonauts
                                        2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                                        2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                                        2006 Ōkami
                                        2007 BioShock
                                        2007 Dark Souls
                                        2007 Mass Effect
                                        2007 Portal
                                        2008 Clonk Rage
                                        2008 Left 4 Dead
                                        2008 Mirror's Edge
                                        2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                                        2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                                        2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                                        2009 Killing Floor
                                        2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                                        2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                                        2009 Steins;Gate
                                        2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                                        2010 Limbo
                                        2010 Nier
                                        2010 Planet Minigolf
                                        2011 Bastion
                                        2011 Portal 2
                                        2011 Terraria
                                        2011 The Binding of Isaac
                                        2012 Hotline Miami
                                        2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                                        2012 Tokyo Jungle
                                        2014 Forza Horizon 2
                                        2014 LISA: The Painful
                                        2015 Bloodborne
                                        2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                                        2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                                        2015 Undertale
                                        2016 Doom (2016)
                                        2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                                        2016 Stardew Valley
                                        2016 The Witness
                                        2016 Titanfall 2
                                        2016 Tyranny
                                        2017 Little Nightmares
                                        2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                                        2017 Nier: Automata
                                        2017 Night in the Woods
                                        2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                                        2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                                        2018 Celeste
                                        2018 Donut County
                                        2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                                        2018 Rimworld
                                        2018 Subnautica
                                        2019 A Short Hike
                                        2019 Disco Elysium
                                        2019 Outer Wilds
                                        2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                                        2019 Slay the Spire
                                        2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                                        2020 Factorio
                                        2020 Hades
                                        2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                                        2021 Psychonauts 2
                                        2022 Elden Ring
                                        2022 Lil Gator Game
                                        2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                                        2023 Dave the Diver
                                        2024 Balatro
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                                        Missing Half-life (the first one).
                                        That game was the first one to feature scripted scenes during player interaction and it was mind-blowing.
                                        Plus, it had the most sophisticated story ever seen in an FPS before.

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                                          I love STALKER with all my heart, and if we're talking atmosphere and vibes and even world building it is up there. But it does not really belong in the objective masterpiece category. Flawed masterpiece, maybe.

                                          Also I think Call of Pripyat is the better STALKER game, but it might be controversial.

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                                          Yeah, but it still popped into my mind sooner than other games, dunno why,

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