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  • W weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world
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    flashmobofone@lemmy.world
    wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:50 last edited by
    #7

    Dragon Age: Origins and Bioshock

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    • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
      27 May 2025, 22:36

      None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

      Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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      sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:52 last edited by
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      "Masterpiece" comes from the art world, and there are absolutely works everyone seems to agree qualify, such as:

      • The Mona Lisa
      • David statue
      • David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

      It's usually the best work by an artist, or at least the one that got them their recognition, and it stands out among other works in the field.

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        owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca
        wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:52 last edited by
        #9

        Undertale

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        • C capuccino@lemmy.world
          27 May 2025, 22:34

          Portal 2.

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          bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:53 last edited by
          #10

          This was a triumph

          I'm making a note here

          "Huge success"

          It's hard to overstate my satisfaction

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            kino@lemmy.world
            wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:55 last edited by
            #11

            Witcher 3 for me.

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              kint@infosec.pub
              wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:55 last edited by
              #12

              The Witness

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              • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
                27 May 2025, 22:36

                None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

                Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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                kolanaki@pawb.social
                wrote on 27 May 2025, 22:59 last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
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                A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

                I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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                  landedgentry@lemmy.zip
                  wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:05 last edited by landedgentry@lemmy.zip 6 Feb 2025, 20:17
                  #14

                  ::: spoiler spoiler
                  askldjfals;jflsad;
                  :::

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                    warm@kbin.earth
                    wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:06 last edited by
                    #15

                    RimWorld

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                      fartswithanaccent@fedia.io
                      wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:08 last edited by
                      #16

                      Portal/Portal 2

                      Deus Ex (the original)

                      Minecraft

                      Stardew Valley

                      Terraria

                      Mirror's Edge

                      Chrono Trigger

                      Cyberpunk 2077

                      Hades

                      Subnautica

                      A Short Hike

                      Donut County

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                        semjaza@lemmynsfw.com
                        wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:08 last edited by semjaza@lemmynsfw.com
                        #17

                        Video:
                        Doom

                        Tetris

                        Chrono Trigger

                        Table top:
                        Chess

                        Magic: the Gathering

                        Everdell

                        Azul

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                          sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                          wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:09 last edited by
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                          I'm taking this to mean games that stand out in or define their genre, are widely considered to be excellent, are timeless, and there's very little if any fat to trim.

                          • Super Mario Brothers - NES
                          • Super Mario 64
                          • Dark Souls - maybe Elden Ring takes over?
                          • Return of the Obra Dinn
                          • Half Life 2 - honorable mention: Left 4 Dead 2
                          • Diablo 2
                          • Doom
                          • Tetris
                          • Chrono Trigger
                          • Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                          • Portal 2
                          • Little Nightmares - honorable mention: INSIDE
                          • GTA SA
                          • Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2

                          These aren't necessarily my favorite games, but games I think are well respected. I probably missed a bunch.

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                            llamapocalypse@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:10 last edited by
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                            Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                              sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works
                              wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:21 last edited by sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works
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                              Age of Empires 2 /w The Conquers expansion pack.

                              Roller Coaster Tycoon 1. (2 was weaker without OpenRCT2, the real masterpiece, but idk if unfinished projects should count or not)

                              Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament 1999 GOTY, Worms Armageddon, SimCity 3000 Unlimited, Forza Horizon 2 / Motorsport 3, Need for Speed Underground 1, Clonk! Rage, Metal Gear Solid 1/2/3, Ace Combat 4, Okami, Tokyo Jungle, Zelda BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Sven Co-Op, Killing Floor 1, Final Fantasy 7, LISA: The Painful, Everhood 1, Deus Ex 1, Left 4 Dead 1/2, Portal 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2... Champions of Norrath and Return to Arms, Diablo 1, Baldur's Gate 3 makes the list...NIER both games. Planet MiniGolf.

                              I could go on and on.

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                                snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:22 last edited by snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                                Nier Automata

                                It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                                On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                                Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                                It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                                  sophocles@infosec.pub
                                  wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:25 last edited by
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                                  Heres a list of some favorites:

                                  Imperfect perfection: Morrowind

                                  Perfect perfection: Starcraft Brood War

                                  Objective perfection: Plants vs Zombies

                                  Subjective perfection: Knights of the Old Republic

                                  Perfect for its time: Gauntlet IV

                                  Perfect timeless: Sonic 2

                                  Perfect for its genre: LOZ Minish Cap

                                  Perfect All-in-one: Shenmue II

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                                  • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
                                    27 May 2025, 22:36

                                    None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

                                    Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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                                    landedgentry@lemmy.zip
                                    wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:28 last edited by landedgentry@lemmy.zip 6 Feb 2025, 20:17
                                    #23

                                    ::: spoiler spoiler
                                    askldjfals;jflsad;
                                    :::

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                                      radin@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:29 last edited by
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                                      Hades. Transcends the rogue-like genre through incredible writing, art direction, and music. The gameplay is some of the most addictive I’ve ever played. I’m at over 200 hours logged and I still get lost in it.

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                                        richardwagner@lemm.ee
                                        wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:32 last edited by
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                                        • dark souls
                                        • elden ring
                                        • bloodborne
                                        • sekiro
                                        • outer wilds
                                        • doom 2016
                                        • binding of isaac
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                                        • S snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                          27 May 2025, 23:22

                                          Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                                          Nier Automata

                                          It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                                          On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                                          Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                                          It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                          Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                                          tomselleck@lemm.ee
                                          wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:40 last edited by
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                                          I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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