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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

    Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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      I think masterpieces is one word.

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        Factorio.

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          Dragon Age: Origins and Bioshock

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            None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

            Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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            "Masterpiece" comes from the art world, and there are absolutely works everyone seems to agree qualify, such as:

            • The Mona Lisa
            • David statue
            • David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

            It's usually the best work by an artist, or at least the one that got them their recognition, and it stands out among other works in the field.

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              Undertale

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                Portal 2.

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                This was a triumph

                I'm making a note here

                "Huge success"

                It's hard to overstate my satisfaction

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                  Witcher 3 for me.

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                    The Witness

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                      None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

                      Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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                      A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

                      I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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                        ::: spoiler spoiler
                        askldjfals;jflsad;
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                          RimWorld

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                            Portal/Portal 2

                            Deus Ex (the original)

                            Minecraft

                            Stardew Valley

                            Terraria

                            Mirror's Edge

                            Chrono Trigger

                            Cyberpunk 2077

                            Hades

                            Subnautica

                            A Short Hike

                            Donut County

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                              Video:
                              Doom

                              Tetris

                              Chrono Trigger

                              Table top:
                              Chess

                              Magic: the Gathering

                              Everdell

                              Azul

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                                I'm taking this to mean games that stand out in or define their genre, are widely considered to be excellent, are timeless, and there's very little if any fat to trim.

                                • Super Mario Brothers - NES
                                • Super Mario 64
                                • Dark Souls - maybe Elden Ring takes over?
                                • Return of the Obra Dinn
                                • Half Life 2 - honorable mention: Left 4 Dead 2
                                • Diablo 2
                                • Doom
                                • Tetris
                                • Chrono Trigger
                                • Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                                • Portal 2
                                • Little Nightmares - honorable mention: INSIDE
                                • GTA SA
                                • Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2

                                These aren't necessarily my favorite games, but games I think are well respected. I probably missed a bunch.

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                                  Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                                    Age of Empires 2 /w The Conquers expansion pack.

                                    Roller Coaster Tycoon 1. (2 was weaker without OpenRCT2, the real masterpiece, but idk if unfinished projects should count or not)

                                    Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament 1999 GOTY, Worms Armageddon, SimCity 3000 Unlimited, Forza Horizon 2 / Motorsport 3, Need for Speed Underground 1, Clonk! Rage, Metal Gear Solid 1/2/3, Ace Combat 4, Okami, Tokyo Jungle, Zelda BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Sven Co-Op, Killing Floor 1, Final Fantasy 7, LISA: The Painful, Everhood 1, Deus Ex 1, Left 4 Dead 1/2, Portal 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2... Champions of Norrath and Return to Arms, Diablo 1, Baldur's Gate 3 makes the list...NIER both games. Planet MiniGolf.

                                    I could go on and on.

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                                      Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                                      Nier Automata

                                      It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                                      On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                                      Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                                      It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                      Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                                        Heres a list of some favorites:

                                        Imperfect perfection: Morrowind

                                        Perfect perfection: Starcraft Brood War

                                        Objective perfection: Plants vs Zombies

                                        Subjective perfection: Knights of the Old Republic

                                        Perfect for its time: Gauntlet IV

                                        Perfect timeless: Sonic 2

                                        Perfect for its genre: LOZ Minish Cap

                                        Perfect All-in-one: Shenmue II

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                                          None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

                                          Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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                                          ::: spoiler spoiler
                                          askldjfals;jflsad;
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