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I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

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  • M masterspace@lemmy.ca
    19 May 2025, 01:38

    Sweeney is not lionized as a false saviour.

    Newell is.

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    blitzen@lemmy.ca
    wrote on 19 May 2025, 03:32 last edited by
    #26

    Sweeney certainly thinks he is.

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    • A azrael@lemmy.ca
      18 May 2025, 04:44

      I get that Steam is where everything and everyone is at. And that the user experience and functionality is best there BUT having another player to try an compete with Steam is a good thing, right?

      If anyone can try, it's the Fortnite Bank.

      So, why the hate?

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      rdri@lemmy.world
      wrote on 19 May 2025, 04:04 last edited by
      #27

      another player to try an compete with Steam

      Here is the mistake. It does not trying to compete. It only tries to catch as many fish in its bucket as possible, while leveraging (burning) Fortnite money.

      It's a wasted effort, and it will never come close to Steam like this. It may even die along with Fortnite, or degrade further.

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      • M missingno@piefed.social
        18 May 2025, 20:12

        Epic doesn't support my operating system.

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        dubyakay@lemmy.ca
        wrote on 19 May 2025, 04:45 last edited by
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        Which operating system is that?

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        • A azrael@lemmy.ca
          18 May 2025, 04:44

          I get that Steam is where everything and everyone is at. And that the user experience and functionality is best there BUT having another player to try an compete with Steam is a good thing, right?

          If anyone can try, it's the Fortnite Bank.

          So, why the hate?

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          baggie@lemmy.zip
          wrote on 19 May 2025, 04:54 last edited by baggie@lemmy.zip
          #29

          Big issue for me is the direction towards incentivised exclusivity. I can tolerate it on consoles (barely nowdays) because you're paying someone to use your hardware instead of another, and you have to specifically develop for console hardware. That takes time and effort.

          Different distribution platforms do not have such issues, and I don't want exclusivity anywhere near PC gaming, unless you're self publishing. Frankly if they weren't banging on about steam using the industry standard % take, while they themselves are trying to undercut and use garbage tactics, I would have absolutely no problem with them, same as Ubisoft and EA's garbage store.

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          • M majesticelevator@lemmy.zip
            18 May 2025, 19:15

            Meanwhile Valve pushing unrelated unregulated gambling to everyone, including children, through their case unboxing system

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            majesticelevator@lemmy.zip
            wrote on 19 May 2025, 05:27 last edited by
            #30

            Wrote unrelated instead of unregulated, which changed the meaning of my sentence. Fixed it.

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            • K krudler@lemmy.world
              18 May 2025, 22:40

              Whataboutism makes you look like an idiot

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              majesticelevator@lemmy.zip
              wrote on 19 May 2025, 05:42 last edited by
              #31

              You’re saying Valve acts for gamers, not for profits. I’m proving you wrong. You’re just entitled and love Valve.

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              • C contramuffin@lemmy.world
                18 May 2025, 19:16

                Sweeney (the CEO of Epic) says that he wants competition with Steam, but many of his actions point toward that he really just wants to be the guy at the top (ie, he wants to be the monopoly instead of Valve). He's taken a fair number of anti-consumerist stances, which vary from understandable to clearly anti-competitive.

                Epic is known for making exclusivity deals with 3rd party studios in which Epic bribes the studio with money, and in exchange, the studio does not release their game on Steam for 1 year.

                At several points, this occurred after a studio already said that they will release on Steam, and the studio would have to walk back and delete their Steam listing.

                Iirc, at one point Epic bought out a studio and had them remove the Steam listing for an already-released game, causing the game to be unplayable for people who had already bought the game

                Edit: this apparently happened twice (Unreal Tournament and Rocket League), but it appears that the games still work for the people who bought it. I think the concern was actually that Steam players would lose functionality due to not being supported anymore after the unlisting

                The Epic Game Store released in a non-functional state, and development on it is extremely slow. The first impression of the broken store likely still influences many people's impression of the store. But it's still missing many features that many gamers want to see in a store.

                There were various rumors when the store first launched that it contained spyware. My understanding is that those rumors never fully got disproven, especially since some of the claims were supported by at least some evidence

                Epic does not support Linux, and Sweeney has openly said that he does not plan to support Linux until it becomes more popular. He did immediately jump on board with supporting Arm though, which caused a lot of Linux gamers to think that he just doesn't want to support Linux

                Sweeney is a pretty abrasive person and iirc he made a lot of concerning statements on his social media. Several of them (as mentioned above) indicate that he wants to dethrone Valve so that he can be the monopoly instead

                Overall, many gamers are in support of more competition in the game store space. Unfortunately, many gamers also think that Epic is an untrustworthy competitor, and they believe that Epic has a serious chance of making the gaming industry worse if they become more popular. As a result, many would prefer for Steam remain the monopoly rather than to take a bet on Epic.

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                backgrndnoize@lemmy.world
                wrote on 19 May 2025, 06:19 last edited by
                #32

                Yeesh I knew Epic was run by dick heads but I didn't know they were this slimy, I'm glad I've only bought one game on their platform (Subnautica below zero), and that's only because I got the original Subnautica for free from their weekly giveaway and loved it. I'll continue to get the free games from them as it's good to take a chance on games that you otherwise might never learn about.

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                • C contramuffin@lemmy.world
                  18 May 2025, 19:16

                  Sweeney (the CEO of Epic) says that he wants competition with Steam, but many of his actions point toward that he really just wants to be the guy at the top (ie, he wants to be the monopoly instead of Valve). He's taken a fair number of anti-consumerist stances, which vary from understandable to clearly anti-competitive.

                  Epic is known for making exclusivity deals with 3rd party studios in which Epic bribes the studio with money, and in exchange, the studio does not release their game on Steam for 1 year.

                  At several points, this occurred after a studio already said that they will release on Steam, and the studio would have to walk back and delete their Steam listing.

                  Iirc, at one point Epic bought out a studio and had them remove the Steam listing for an already-released game, causing the game to be unplayable for people who had already bought the game

                  Edit: this apparently happened twice (Unreal Tournament and Rocket League), but it appears that the games still work for the people who bought it. I think the concern was actually that Steam players would lose functionality due to not being supported anymore after the unlisting

                  The Epic Game Store released in a non-functional state, and development on it is extremely slow. The first impression of the broken store likely still influences many people's impression of the store. But it's still missing many features that many gamers want to see in a store.

                  There were various rumors when the store first launched that it contained spyware. My understanding is that those rumors never fully got disproven, especially since some of the claims were supported by at least some evidence

                  Epic does not support Linux, and Sweeney has openly said that he does not plan to support Linux until it becomes more popular. He did immediately jump on board with supporting Arm though, which caused a lot of Linux gamers to think that he just doesn't want to support Linux

                  Sweeney is a pretty abrasive person and iirc he made a lot of concerning statements on his social media. Several of them (as mentioned above) indicate that he wants to dethrone Valve so that he can be the monopoly instead

                  Overall, many gamers are in support of more competition in the game store space. Unfortunately, many gamers also think that Epic is an untrustworthy competitor, and they believe that Epic has a serious chance of making the gaming industry worse if they become more popular. As a result, many would prefer for Steam remain the monopoly rather than to take a bet on Epic.

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                  xavier666@lemm.ee
                  wrote on 19 May 2025, 06:35 last edited by
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                  Don't forget that Sweeney himself said that the Epic store is slow.

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                  • D dubyakay@lemmy.ca
                    19 May 2025, 04:45

                    Which operating system is that?

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                    filcuk@lemmy.zip
                    wrote on 19 May 2025, 06:40 last edited by
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                    TempleOS

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                    • G generalemergency@lemmy.world
                      18 May 2025, 17:56

                      Threatening Steam's monopoly. And the unwashed Stockholmed masses hate that.

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                      radiouser@crazypeople.online
                      wrote on 19 May 2025, 07:51 last edited by
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                      we've been rumbled!

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                      • A azrael@lemmy.ca
                        18 May 2025, 04:44

                        I get that Steam is where everything and everyone is at. And that the user experience and functionality is best there BUT having another player to try an compete with Steam is a good thing, right?

                        If anyone can try, it's the Fortnite Bank.

                        So, why the hate?

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                        strider@lemmy.world
                        wrote on 19 May 2025, 09:30 last edited by
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                        Competition is good, yes and no.

                        Exclusivity is not competition, it's lock in for me. So epic should get it's head out of its ass and offer games on both platforms equally. THAT is competition.

                        I am not a fan of steam. Not a fan of having a library that could change at anytime at anyone's whim but mine. So I prefer gog (yes I know some titles are drm free on steam and it's not perfect on gog either / this is just for context).

                        Anyhow steam is well established and forcing me to use your store and launcher will just lead to me ignoring you (doing that for origin, uplay, epic) because it's a luxury problem.

                        Same with all that streaming shit. Also there are other ways if you piss off people a lot, yarr!

                        The companies forget who made them big. And for epic I count myself in on that massively, still owning game boxes of e.g. Xargon (look it up, and my EU? box is not to be found on ebay) and equally for EA.

                        And I will not stand for anti consumer behaviors. Got enough money to spend at my age but theyre not getting it like this.

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                        • S strider@lemmy.world
                          19 May 2025, 09:30

                          Competition is good, yes and no.

                          Exclusivity is not competition, it's lock in for me. So epic should get it's head out of its ass and offer games on both platforms equally. THAT is competition.

                          I am not a fan of steam. Not a fan of having a library that could change at anytime at anyone's whim but mine. So I prefer gog (yes I know some titles are drm free on steam and it's not perfect on gog either / this is just for context).

                          Anyhow steam is well established and forcing me to use your store and launcher will just lead to me ignoring you (doing that for origin, uplay, epic) because it's a luxury problem.

                          Same with all that streaming shit. Also there are other ways if you piss off people a lot, yarr!

                          The companies forget who made them big. And for epic I count myself in on that massively, still owning game boxes of e.g. Xargon (look it up, and my EU? box is not to be found on ebay) and equally for EA.

                          And I will not stand for anti consumer behaviors. Got enough money to spend at my age but theyre not getting it like this.

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                          deathsembrace@lemm.ee
                          wrote on 19 May 2025, 09:52 last edited by
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                          Epic wants temporary monopolies and that's already antitrust.

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                          • A azrael@lemmy.ca
                            18 May 2025, 04:44

                            I get that Steam is where everything and everyone is at. And that the user experience and functionality is best there BUT having another player to try an compete with Steam is a good thing, right?

                            If anyone can try, it's the Fortnite Bank.

                            So, why the hate?

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                            bieren@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 19 May 2025, 12:21 last edited by
                            #38

                            Part of the hate is against Sweeny. The rest of the hate is that it isn’t steam.

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                            • F f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz
                              18 May 2025, 07:48

                              Tim Sweeney traveled to Saudi Arabia with Donald Trump's entourage this past week.

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                              unculturedswine@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                              wrote on 19 May 2025, 15:03 last edited by
                              #39

                              Ugh, you're right. As if I needed another reason to hate that skeevy asshole.

                              https://www.gamespot.com/articles/fortnite-ceo-meeting-with-trump-and-other-major-executives-in-saudi-arabia-today/1100-6531488/

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                              • H harvey656@lemmy.world
                                18 May 2025, 19:42

                                Not to diss you, or take away from your argument, it's quite a good one.

                                But I do think EGS has reviews now. They suck but I they have some sort of review system now.

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                                wrufieotnak@feddit.org
                                wrote on 19 May 2025, 15:31 last edited by
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                                I couldn't find reviews. What I did find was a 5 star based rating system which is not the same thing at all. With steam reviews the text is more relevant to me than if they did or did not recommend the game.

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                                • W wrufieotnak@feddit.org
                                  19 May 2025, 15:31

                                  I couldn't find reviews. What I did find was a 5 star based rating system which is not the same thing at all. With steam reviews the text is more relevant to me than if they did or did not recommend the game.

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                                  harvey656@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 19 May 2025, 15:55 last edited by
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                                  If you scroll below the stars, it has corporate reviews provided by opencritic. Which is what i confused with real reviews.

                                  Honestly, the stars are better than ign and other craptastic critics.

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                                  • M majesticelevator@lemmy.zip
                                    18 May 2025, 22:05

                                    Teens aren’t kids. Gambling is addictive to everyone.

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                                    soggy@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 19 May 2025, 17:19 last edited by
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                                    Teens are kids, they've just got half a brain and adult hormones mixed in. They still need guidance and supervision.

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                                    • A azrael@lemmy.ca
                                      18 May 2025, 04:44

                                      I get that Steam is where everything and everyone is at. And that the user experience and functionality is best there BUT having another player to try an compete with Steam is a good thing, right?

                                      If anyone can try, it's the Fortnite Bank.

                                      So, why the hate?

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                                      darkfuture@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 19 May 2025, 17:41 last edited by
                                      #43

                                      I hate it because it's like they're trying their hardest to make a shitty storefront.

                                      It's awful.

                                      I get almost none of the information I need when on a game's store page. Meanwhile, I get all the info I need and then some on the same game's Steam page.

                                      It's like they don't want to sell their product.

                                      I do definitely appreciate the weekly free games. Sometimes, like this week, they have solid offerings. It's Dead Island 2 this week, btw.

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                                      • R romkslrqusz@lemm.ee
                                        18 May 2025, 16:20

                                        To my knowledge you still can’t easily discover / reuse existing game files, the launcher usually redownloads them anyways.

                                        Even the Xbox app supports this (for most games)

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                                        trainguyrom@reddthat.com
                                        wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:06 last edited by
                                        #44

                                        I just went through this yesterday! I did a big upgrade on my wife's computer, fresh install of Windows on a 2TB NVMe drive replacing the aging 120GB SSD that somehow didn't completely fill up, etc. Etc. really loved pointing epic at the installs on the secondary drive and it just ignoring them and instead spending 3 hours downloading Fortnite after we just spent 1 hour applying the last update yesterday (and another hour on a different update the day before too!) on the drive that's RIGHT THERE IN THE COMPUTER!

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                                        • B bieren@lemmy.world
                                          19 May 2025, 12:21

                                          Part of the hate is against Sweeny. The rest of the hate is that it isn’t steam.

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                                          yiddishmcsquidish@lemmy.today
                                          wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:30 last edited by
                                          #45

                                          Don't forget about exclusives!

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