When Microsoft finally pulls the plug on Windows 10 its successor will be four years old, and for three of those, it was never the OS of choice amongst Steam users
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Same. I got sick of Windows late last year and swapped to Linux in October/November.
What was your experience like?
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Using windows 11 got me to switch my home PC to Linux at the start of the year so I have them to thank or that. My work PC just got updated from W10 to W11 and so far it's so much worse than I was expecting, purely based on performance/buginess alone. I have no problems with most the features but it all feels one step forward two steps back when the whole system seems to be much less responsive
This is real petty, but on my work laptop, moving from W10 to W11 removed the popup calendar in the taskbar on secondary monitors and however many years later, it still messes me up every day.
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The second Windows 10 expires, I’m switching to the Penguin
Why waiting? Do it now. Give Linux Mint a try, or elementaryOS if you want a mac-like experience.
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Hi. I'm a Linux convert and hate Windows as well, but I feel the need to contest some of this
I hate rounded corners [...] I like having my whole desktop real estate to be used
Rounded corners only lose something like 30 pixels (assuming 100% resolution scale) out of the millions on screen. Serious question, no shade or sarcasm: do you need those corner pixels? Plus in Windows 11, the window corners are only rounded when the window is floating. The corners go square when the window is snapped and maximized so you get those corner pixels back anytime real estate matters most.
I want to just throw my cursor into a corner without looking and click with the confidence that it will open my start menu.
That's always been the case since... the Start menu was invented, I think? In Windows 11, just set your taskbar to Left instead of Center and you get that behavior back.
[The Start menu is] all small icons and you can't have them in groups.
The former is correct, the latter isn't. I exclusively keep my icons in groups, in the grid along with regular pins, on my last remaining Windows 11 computer. As someone who loves KDE, it drives me crazy that I can't keep my own in-grid groups like in Windows 11. Closest option I have is Plasma Drawer, which works but requires me to use the KDE Menu Editor to customize which is less convenient.
The taskbar freezing thing sucks for sure, my only recommendation would be to maybe try a 3rd party replacement like StartAllBack but it isn't free.
Can you show an example of what the in grid groups look like? I can’t really imagine what it would look like.
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I have Win 11 at work and I hate it so much for so many reasons I don't even know where to start.
I know it's the trend right now, but I hate rounded corners for one. I like having my whole desktop real estate to be used. And the shrunken floating taskbar is a GUI ergonomic nightmare. I want to just throw my cursor into a corner without looking and click with the confidence that it will open my start menu.
Speaking of which, my task bar keeps freezing every day I use it so my system tray and even the time is never accurate.
The start menu is a fucking mess. I really loved the Windows 10 start menu with its tiles and groups. Now you have to manually pin everything, it's all small icons and you can't have them in groups. You have to create sub-folders to put the icons in, adding an extra click for nothing.
I hate that it comes with an integrated AI and I hate that it has this privacy nightmare "recall" feature or whatever the fuck that takes sreenshots of your monitor to feed its AI.
I went 100% Linux last fall with Kubuntu. I added a tiled menu and even added Windows 10 style window decorations to complete the look and feel.
With the latest advancements in Steam, Wine and Proton, which has been able to play every game I threw at it so far, it's become such a powerful OS.
I've never been happier!
I was just forced to update at work and i haven't stopped bitching about it since!
A couple other complaints:
- I've been a top-taskbar person for a long time and now it's locked to the bottom.
- Also the emoji picker isn't as easy or efficient to use as it now requires extra inputs.Thanks Winblows devs. I hate you. 🥰
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I have Win 11 at work and I hate it so much for so many reasons I don't even know where to start.
I know it's the trend right now, but I hate rounded corners for one. I like having my whole desktop real estate to be used. And the shrunken floating taskbar is a GUI ergonomic nightmare. I want to just throw my cursor into a corner without looking and click with the confidence that it will open my start menu.
Speaking of which, my task bar keeps freezing every day I use it so my system tray and even the time is never accurate.
The start menu is a fucking mess. I really loved the Windows 10 start menu with its tiles and groups. Now you have to manually pin everything, it's all small icons and you can't have them in groups. You have to create sub-folders to put the icons in, adding an extra click for nothing.
I hate that it comes with an integrated AI and I hate that it has this privacy nightmare "recall" feature or whatever the fuck that takes sreenshots of your monitor to feed its AI.
I went 100% Linux last fall with Kubuntu. I added a tiled menu and even added Windows 10 style window decorations to complete the look and feel.
With the latest advancements in Steam, Wine and Proton, which has been able to play every game I threw at it so far, it's become such a powerful OS.
I've never been happier!
A lot of those problems is 100% fixable through the settings menu...
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Really? Sorry for my ignorance, but isn't it possible to keep a secure system with malware software and firewalls? I might have to reconsider and just hate MS for moving that quickly to a halfassed OS
Go to www.massgrave.dev and check the tutorial for upgrading your existing Windows 10 install to Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2019. You'll have security updates until 2032 I think.
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Using windows 11 got me to switch my home PC to Linux at the start of the year so I have them to thank or that. My work PC just got updated from W10 to W11 and so far it's so much worse than I was expecting, purely based on performance/buginess alone. I have no problems with most the features but it all feels one step forward two steps back when the whole system seems to be much less responsive
What I don't understand about Windows 11 is why they can't seem to fix the weird delay that now exists across the entire UI.
Right click, weird delay, menu shows up.
Press the Start button, weird delay, menu shows up.
Open Explorer, weird delay, program shows up.
Enter text in the search field, weird delay, results show up.
Windows 10 didn't have that delay.
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I went 100% Linux last fall with Kubuntu.
For those reading along, this person is talking about the KDE Plasma desktop environment. The Kubuntu Linux distribution uses it by default, but you can also install and switch to it on just about any popular Linux distro, even if it's not the default.
I use Plasma, too. It's good, reasonably familiar, and respects the fact that people might want to tweak things to fit their needs.
I use Arch with KDE Plasma and it looks like a clean version of the traditional desktop you'd expect on Windows, with a bottom taskbar, start menu, etc. But with a really clean theme and tailored to my needs.
My wife is also using Arch with the exact same KDE Plasma version... But hers looks exactly like a Mac, with a rounded translucent dock, a menu bar at the top, widgets, animated wallpapers and so on.
So yeah KDE Plasma is amazing, it will adapt to your exact preferences and not get in the way.
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The second Windows 10 expires, I’m switching to the Penguin
Start now friend, it may take time to find alternatives for some of your workflow, also to find a flavour you prefer, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, etc, there is a lot of choice. I've been slowly trying to get everything setup for a while now. Only a few more little apps and things to finish the switch. sadly I will still need windows for several VR games performance wise, some are just too stuttery on nix. I used to love Ubuntu/Gnome but KDE is a better environment, from the reading I did, for VR with an Nvidia vid card
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A lot of those problems is 100% fixable through the settings menu...
For 48h until they update
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Hi. I'm a Linux convert and hate Windows as well, but I feel the need to contest some of this
I hate rounded corners [...] I like having my whole desktop real estate to be used
Rounded corners only lose something like 30 pixels (assuming 100% resolution scale) out of the millions on screen. Serious question, no shade or sarcasm: do you need those corner pixels? Plus in Windows 11, the window corners are only rounded when the window is floating. The corners go square when the window is snapped and maximized so you get those corner pixels back anytime real estate matters most.
I want to just throw my cursor into a corner without looking and click with the confidence that it will open my start menu.
That's always been the case since... the Start menu was invented, I think? In Windows 11, just set your taskbar to Left instead of Center and you get that behavior back.
[The Start menu is] all small icons and you can't have them in groups.
The former is correct, the latter isn't. I exclusively keep my icons in groups, in the grid along with regular pins, on my last remaining Windows 11 computer. As someone who loves KDE, it drives me crazy that I can't keep my own in-grid groups like in Windows 11. Closest option I have is Plasma Drawer, which works but requires me to use the KDE Menu Editor to customize which is less convenient.
The taskbar freezing thing sucks for sure, my only recommendation would be to maybe try a 3rd party replacement like StartAllBack but it isn't free.
As someone who loves KDE, it drives me crazy that I can't keep my own in-grid groups like in Windows 11.
Hey, check out Tiled Menu for a menu with a grid.
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What I don't understand about Windows 11 is why they can't seem to fix the weird delay that now exists across the entire UI.
Right click, weird delay, menu shows up.
Press the Start button, weird delay, menu shows up.
Open Explorer, weird delay, program shows up.
Enter text in the search field, weird delay, results show up.
Windows 10 didn't have that delay.
I read a long time ago that delays had to be added to desktop UIs because users didn't think the computer was "working" if it responded in a single video frame. Maybe the M$ LLM read that too and took it to heart.
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A lot of those problems is 100% fixable through the settings menu...
And so you spend hours tweaking the UI only to have it nuked by an update. If you're gonna rice your desktop, run Linux!
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The second Windows 10 expires, I’m switching to the Penguin
Test it out on an old PC, you gotta have one hanging around the house. After a couple of weeks you'll wonder how you got anything done without it.
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Really? Sorry for my ignorance, but isn't it possible to keep a secure system with malware software and firewalls? I might have to reconsider and just hate MS for moving that quickly to a halfassed OS
Super simplistic view: Malware detection is kinda like having a motion sensor in your house. Doesn't do much to prevent but can help you catch something. If it notices right away it might prevent something being stolen.
Firewall is like having locks on your windows and doors. It helps keep out the curious and respectful, but not the dedicated.
Security updates aren't necessarily for either of those things. It might be that someone discovered a way to steal your keys, or cut open a window bypassing a lock, or sneak into your basement, or crawl through the pet door. Patches "fix" those vulnerabilities. The longer software (Windows in this case) goes unmaintained the more of those are discovered, revealed, and generally accessible for people to use and exploit your system.
Highly recommend trying a live Linux USB just to poke around and see if it's as much of a hassle as it seems at the time.
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A lot of those problems is 100% fixable through the settings menu...
If you have privileges from corporate IT and it doesn't get reverted, or overridden to push more AI.
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Win 11 wasn't even the primary choice among Windows users.
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I'm just waiting for escape from tarkov to send the email to battle eye to enable Linux support and I'll throw windows into the sun
I recommend dual booting if that's the only thing holding you up, as long as you keep Linux/windows on separate disks. I am in linux most of the time but I keep windows around just in case I need to use software that doesn't work with wine/proton. It seems daunting but you'll start learning how to use Linux as soon as you start using it as your daily driver.
If you are playing Tarkov on a daily basis then I could see that getting old quick
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I recommend dual booting if that's the only thing holding you up, as long as you keep Linux/windows on separate disks. I am in linux most of the time but I keep windows around just in case I need to use software that doesn't work with wine/proton. It seems daunting but you'll start learning how to use Linux as soon as you start using it as your daily driver.
If you are playing Tarkov on a daily basis then I could see that getting old quick
I'm not unfamiliar with Linux and I do for the most part play daily
