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What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
    5 Jun 2025, 17:45
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    mordikan@kbin.earth
    wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:43 last edited by
    #10

    I'm assuming the post is actually about DRM operating at ring 0. That's not really root level though. That's kernel level. Root is still operating in user-mode and politely asking the kernel to interact with hardware.

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    • S solsangraal@lemmy.zip
      5 Jun 2025, 18:30

      the game's store page doesn't mention that it requires root access, like it does for some other games. am i missing something?

      edit: the words "root" and "level" (ctrl+f'd each one separately) don't appear anywhere in the EULA. "access" shows up in a couple spots that definitely are NOT talking about root level access. i'm all about outrage over enshittification, but so far this sounds like bullshit

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      lath@lemmy.world
      wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:44 last edited by
      #11

      Maybe it's hidden in the in-game eula and they're using their launcher to collect all that info before we even get to agree or disagree.

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      • M mordikan@kbin.earth
        5 Jun 2025, 18:43

        I'm assuming the post is actually about DRM operating at ring 0. That's not really root level though. That's kernel level. Root is still operating in user-mode and politely asking the kernel to interact with hardware.

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        ampersandrew@lemmy.world
        wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:47 last edited by
        #12

        But it doesn't have the mandatory kernel level disclaimer either.

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        • G goodeye8@piefed.social
          5 Jun 2025, 18:24

          I haven't read the new TOS but if this review is correct it looks like a GDPR nightmare for them. Good luck to them explaining why they need to collect all that personal data.

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          raltoid@lemmy.world
          wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:53 last edited by raltoid@lemmy.world 6 May 2025, 14:57
          #13

          The "collected data types" in that comment seems to be copy/pasted from the privacy policy

          https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/

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          • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
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            neryk@sh.itjust.works
            wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:54 last edited by
            #14

            On one side of the ring, greedy corps which want to profile you better than the NSA does. On the other, drama-hungry and social networks-fueled outrage culture.

            That's how an old game giveaway backfires and becomes the scandal of the day.

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            • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
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              kneetitts@lemmy.world
              wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 18:58 last edited by
              #15

              Why isnt Steam banning them? Munny?

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              • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
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                daddledew@lemmy.world
                wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 19:05 last edited by
                #16

                A government that cares for is people would ban this shit and procecute any company trying to find ways around it.

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                • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
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                  showroom7561@lemmy.ca
                  wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 19:11 last edited by
                  #17

                  Pirates are winning over my empathy.

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                  • N nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de
                    5 Jun 2025, 18:34

                    Hm... Ok. Thats crazy. Someone wants to create a new branch of income it seems.

                    Thats a fucking shame. Now I need to reconsider my plans to buy Borderlands4.

                    But how will they do it? Which information is gathered from which source?
                    Most of my accounts only hold as little informations as possible. Also my Os knows nothing about me. My MS account neither.

                    On the other hand my steam 2FA need some mobile information.

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                    fiivemacs@lemmy.ca
                    wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 19:25 last edited by
                    #18

                    Checkout Jump Ship? It's some weird borderlands, Star citizen, (insert other generic shooter) type game. Pretty neat, was recommended to me by a shooter fanatic friend of mine. I trust his shooting game opinion

                    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1757300/Jump_Ship/

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                    • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
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                      buboscandiacus@mander.xyz
                      wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 19:46 last edited by
                      #19

                      Don't just review bomb it

                      Report it to steam as SPYWARE, with the little flag icon on the product page

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                        jomiran@lemmy.ml
                        wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 19:49 last edited by
                        #20

                        I only play AAA games on GeForce Now (cloud). If the game can't run on my Linux system or on the cloud, I ain't touching it. Also, there are so many wonderful games that do not require a colonoscopy into your personal data to be played.

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                        • F fiivemacs@lemmy.ca
                          5 Jun 2025, 19:25

                          Checkout Jump Ship? It's some weird borderlands, Star citizen, (insert other generic shooter) type game. Pretty neat, was recommended to me by a shooter fanatic friend of mine. I trust his shooting game opinion

                          https://store.steampowered.com/app/1757300/Jump_Ship/

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                          topherclay@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 20:02 last edited by
                          #21

                          oh cool, I can see that it's similar Borderlands by the screenshots, and I can see that it's like Star Citizen because it's not actually released yet and they're taking money for early access.

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                            ensignpacts@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 20:04 last edited by
                            #22

                            I checked the Steam depots. It seems the game files haven’t been updated since 2022. All that seems to have changed is some license agreement in February. Seems to be a thing across take two games, and not specific to borderlands 2.

                            Basically nothing has changed in real terms for this game. Maybe borderlands 4 might have draconian DRM, who knows.

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                            • A ampersandrew@lemmy.world
                              5 Jun 2025, 18:47

                              But it doesn't have the mandatory kernel level disclaimer either.

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                              mordikan@kbin.earth
                              wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 20:27 last edited by
                              #23

                              I did some more reading on this, and it apparently isn't due to DRM, its about an update to ToS that occurred in April. The update expands data collection for advertising and forced-arbitration. Arguably that's worse than kernel-level DRM. DRM can be ripped, legal shenanigans can't.

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                              • T topherclay@lemmy.world
                                5 Jun 2025, 20:02

                                oh cool, I can see that it's similar Borderlands by the screenshots, and I can see that it's like Star Citizen because it's not actually released yet and they're taking money for early access.

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                                fiivemacs@lemmy.ca
                                wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 20:35 last edited by
                                #24

                                Hah exactly 😄

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                                • M mordikan@kbin.earth
                                  5 Jun 2025, 20:27

                                  I did some more reading on this, and it apparently isn't due to DRM, its about an update to ToS that occurred in April. The update expands data collection for advertising and forced-arbitration. Arguably that's worse than kernel-level DRM. DRM can be ripped, legal shenanigans can't.

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                                  ampersandrew@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 20:52 last edited by
                                  #25

                                  Sure, but it also seems like it's data that you offer up via a 2K account, which I don't have. I have a user name tied to my Steam ID, and that's about it.

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                                  • E ensignpacts@lemmy.world
                                    5 Jun 2025, 20:04

                                    I checked the Steam depots. It seems the game files haven’t been updated since 2022. All that seems to have changed is some license agreement in February. Seems to be a thing across take two games, and not specific to borderlands 2.

                                    Basically nothing has changed in real terms for this game. Maybe borderlands 4 might have draconian DRM, who knows.

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                                    tomi000@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:11 last edited by
                                    #26

                                    They can drop updates anytime after they made sure to have you accept the spyware.

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                                      onyxonblack@lemm.ee
                                      wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:15 last edited by
                                      #27

                                      I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

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                                        vortexal@sopuli.xyz
                                        wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:33 last edited by vortexal@sopuli.xyz 6 May 2025, 18:03
                                        #28

                                        Is the EULA also applicable to the Linux version, assuming that Aspyr did actually port the game to Linux and not just use Wine or something?

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                                          palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world
                                          wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:36 last edited by
                                          #29

                                          I’ll just stick to playing my console copy

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