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  3. "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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    How in the heck would Ciri not be the main character after the events of Witcher 3? Did anyone actually think she wouldn’t be?

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    I mean, I prayed to the nether gods that we'd get a Letho game. He's the perfect protagonist if they wanted to move away from the books and more firmly into their own OC. Always had huge main character energy, and would be perfectly suited for exploring the morally grey areas of the Witcher world.

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      It's about time women got more accurate representation in games. How many games have you play as a man compared to playing as a woman? Technically it should be 50/50 to more accurately represent the real world.

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        Don't let the alt-right dictate what "woke" means

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        I think that ship has sailed. That word is at the moment a clear sign the person using it is an asshole. It can be reclaimed, but right now I don't see that happening.

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        • kinther@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

          She is the main character toward the end. The story was great and I need to replay it

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          She's not just the main character towards the end, she is the main character of the story. We play Geralt, who is a side character in Ciri's story.

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            How in the heck would Ciri not be the main character after the events of Witcher 3? Did anyone actually think she wouldn’t be?

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            If anything, Ciri's the character whose story is wrapped up by the end of Witcher 3, she saved the world and fulfilled her destiny. Unlike Geralt or the sorceresses, she does get old too.

            It's definitely understandable that a lot of players would feel betrayed at having Ciri becoming the MC after 3 games of Geralt. People would riot if you made someone else than Lara Croft the MC of tomb raider. A better solution would probably be a character creator for a new generation of witchers. Ciri is too powerful to be the MC.

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              I've said for years that one or more of the main characters should be prominent, but you play most of the game as a custom character and you get to choose your witcher school. So I'm sort of hoping that she's the protagonist and main character in a similar way to how she is TW3.

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              Eh, idk. The Witcher universe has a framework for an RPG, but the books have always been about Geralt and Co. You could do something different in that universe, but I think the story and the games have some very strong structure that comes from the player being Geralt and living his story.

              Witchers are a rare dying breed. Trying to shove another new generic Witcher in would force you into writing a whole new series of stories, and backgrounds, just for that one character, which would make it get lost in the mix imho.

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                Witcher 4 devs adjusting to Unreal Engine after years of REDengine:

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                Damn you. I will never not upvote this! It perfectly encapsulates conservatives and maga freaks...

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                  Wrong way round. The unironic woke is the BLM socially aware activist.

                  It's since around 2020 woke is mostly used as an insult by douche canoes.

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                  Woke is now a synonym for Social Justice warrior.

                  A person or movement prioritizing moralizing outrage about minor grievances over actual effective societal change.

                  As my half Nigerian cousin likes to say on issues like white people wearing dreadlocks: “That’s something only white privileged women care about.”

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                  • zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zoneZ [email protected]

                    Absolutely. Also Power Rangers for having a diverse cast that includes girls who kick ass too, and Captain Planet for having both a diverse cast and ecological consciousness. And X-Men for the same reasons they shat on X-Men '97. And Sonic the Hedgehog for being anti-authoritarian and having little PSAs about tolerance and being a good person. And Justice League Unlimited for showcasing female heroes just as much as male heroes. Powerpuff Girls for obvious reasons.

                    Back then they called everything they didn't like "satanic" or "evil" anyway. Before they realised they could trick idiot kids into joining their cause by calling it "woke" and packaging it as rebellion instead of pearl clutching and puritanical nonsense.

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                    And Sonic the Hedgehog for being anti-authoritarian and having little PSAs about tolerance and being a good person.

                    That would be very funny to complain about those because those PSAs were enforced on the studios by the FCC. Lots of cartoons from that era had them, including fucking G.I. Joe (that's where "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle" comes from).

                    Later Animaniacs parodied the shit out of these with absurd "wheel of morality" segments.

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                      Woke is now a synonym for Social Justice warrior.

                      A person or movement prioritizing moralizing outrage about minor grievances over actual effective societal change.

                      As my half Nigerian cousin likes to say on issues like white people wearing dreadlocks: “That’s something only white privileged women care about.”

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                      Yes I agree with your interpretation of what woke currently means. I'm saying that this is actually using woke ironically an insult. An unironic usage has no negative connotations.

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                        You suddenly made it clear in my mind that most talk about hormones and other "gym biochem" reeks of body horror.

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                        I am currently ingesting a cocktail of complex chemicals that are manipulating my sensory receptors, sending electrical impulses through my neural system and altering the balance of neurotransmitters in my brain.

                        Anyway, I'm kinda enjoying that sandwich.

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                          Yes I agree with your interpretation of what woke currently means. I'm saying that this is actually using woke ironically an insult. An unironic usage has no negative connotations.

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                          The best new use of woke is the woke right.

                          The author James Lindsay has defined it in similar terms, as “a victimhood-based identity politics” whose “victim groups are whites, Christians, men, and straight people”. He argues that the movement is “roughly intersectional” insofar as it is obsessed with identity politics and a grievance relating to anti-white racism. “Like their counterparts on the Woke Left,” Lindsay writes, “the Woke Right have accepted as fact that there’s a conspiracy against people like them and that their only real hope is to lean into the identity grouping and advocate for collective power under that heading”. In these terms, the “woke right” is a kind of ideological doppelgänger, whose members exhibit the same precisionist and absolutist tendencies of their leftist counterparts.

                          Pierce Morgan uses it more and more often against right wingers to great effect.

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                            Typing is woke....oh crap

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                            Typical woke typist

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                              I want to believe this is just s straw man argument but sadly I know there are enough jerks out there who absolutely call everything that doesn’t cater precisely to toxic masculinity wOkE.

                              I think it‘s a bit of a bummer that the ending of Witcher 3 that does make the most sense in-universe isn‘t canon in favor of what I think is pure fan service. I will probably still play the shit out of this though because all of their games have been hitters for me. Even Cyberpunk at launch. Even Witcher 1.

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                                anyone who has read the books was likely surprised that ciri wasn't the main character of any of the games when they first started coming out :::especially since geralt dies at the end of the books :::

                                ciri was more the mc than geralt for most of the books. she's the child of destiny. she's the young character that grows up as we follow their journey. she's the one that finds herself and shows major character development throughout the books. the only character development geralt goes through is accepting his bond with ciri.

                                the first two games never mentioning ciri was outright bizarre tbh. only even remotely possibly because geralt lost his memory. like, with where geralt as at by the end of the books the only thing you could possibly expect him to do on regaining his memory is frantically search for signs of his adopted daughter

                                to a longtime book reader my reaction to ciri being the protag of the next game was "FINALLY"

                                my only curiosity at this point is how much she'll be like book ciri. does she know magic? in the books ciri goes to sorceress school and then gets trained in primal magic by unicorns and immortal space elves. can you fuck a horse? that was one of the more... questionable scenes in the book.

                                tangent: sapkowski's politics occasionally bleed through in weird ways in the books. like three's a scene where a woman finds out she's pregnant mid way through a literal war that our band wades through on their journey to save the world. the party basically needs the woman to proceed. she does not want the child. i believe it was the product of rape. yet for some reason geralt and a literal fucking vampire convince her that abortion is wrong and she should keep it instead of drinking a potion about it. it was so randomly out of character for everyone involved. but hey, that's catholics for you i guess...
                                /tangent

                                i think they generally said that ciri lost her elder blood powers after the king of the hunt was killed right? otherwise I'm gonna be really curious how handle that as well. she should be sort of the world's greatest sorceress otherwise. ooh, i wonder if she'll make quips about cyberpunk and/or other worlds she's traveled to. like, she spent Decent bit of time in Arthurian legend. she shows up briefly in Victorian London.

                                also, what will the world at large look like? they can't do it like the last time where your previous save could alter the new game based on your decisions. you were simply able to do too much. they'd need to make like 3 entirely separate stories at the very least. like, who rules the north? are you the empress of nilfguard? is the church burning all the nonhumans at record pace? you can basically decide the entire fate of the northern realms and all of its people in multiple ways... unless it just takes place elsewhere. maybe we'll be in zerrikania this time or some shit. there are many distant lands that the games never take us. it would be much more doable that way. then you'd just have to change dialogue and maybe swap out a few characters.

                                aaaanyway... yeah, anyone mad about her being the mc is a dumbass that doesn't know shit about the story.

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                                I was under the impression that it wasn't Victorian London, but The Plague Year. IIRC she, canonically, brings a blanket infested with plague lice from here to there, and ends up dropping it next to the ship Catriona, which is how the Catriona plague actually gets started. It was one of those "oh shit, yes, that explains everything" moments for me when I first read the books.

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                                  Well, unless you fucked up the choices near the end. Really not fond of CDPR's habit of that.

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                                  Yeah, there were a couple of tiny decisions, any of which failed you out if you got them wrong, and several of them had deceptive descriptions during the QTE.

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                                    It's about time women got more accurate representation in games. How many games have you play as a man compared to playing as a woman? Technically it should be 50/50 to more accurately represent the real world.

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                                    I don't think representation is the main issue, it is more about how they are presented.

                                    Striding for a perfect 50/50, doesn't really sense if they are all just stereotypes and sexual objectified. Also there are many other underrepresented population groups.

                                    IMO, it is more important to focus good well written and complex characters, that represent real circumstances right.

                                    I don't complain that AAA studios have gone 'woke' because they now include choices to select from marginalized groups, I complain about them because they are often do not offer a deeper perspective of people in that group and are just different skins.

                                    In some way, I can understand, games often happen in a Fantasy world, but I would wish that selecting different characters would do more than just exchanging the player mesh, texture and voice pack.

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                                      I don't know if I have met anyone complaining about Ciri being the protagonist of Witcher 4. Even the most conservative people I know who are fans of the series are pumped about her being the main character because they love the story and it's the only logical way forward. The only complaints I have heard are that in universe she's kind of overpowered for a video game protagonist. I think people whining about this are fake fans or just agitators who don't even play these games.

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                                        I'm sorry, but I still can't help but laugh about the anti-woke Asterion flat-butt mod, and now in my head I just see all anti-woke gamers as jealous flat-butters.

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                                          I don't think representation is the main issue, it is more about how they are presented.

                                          Striding for a perfect 50/50, doesn't really sense if they are all just stereotypes and sexual objectified. Also there are many other underrepresented population groups.

                                          IMO, it is more important to focus good well written and complex characters, that represent real circumstances right.

                                          I don't complain that AAA studios have gone 'woke' because they now include choices to select from marginalized groups, I complain about them because they are often do not offer a deeper perspective of people in that group and are just different skins.

                                          In some way, I can understand, games often happen in a Fantasy world, but I would wish that selecting different characters would do more than just exchanging the player mesh, texture and voice pack.

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                                          The well written part is my concern. Or we will get the same quality as a lot of recent movies and shows. Where the characters are stereotypes, poorly written, poorly developed. With plot points that are just randomly forced into the story, and that plot point has nothing to do with the rest of the story. You know the ones, where something has been added to the story and has no reason or meaning or benefit to being part of the story.

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