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  3. "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • L [email protected]

    I did watch someone else play it (they cut out a lot of the death scenes). I liked the evolution of the character, as she grew despite being put in situations that were wilder than what any normal college graduate would face in the real world. Learning from her decisions, and not being broken by them, is something that I admire about the character building of Laura. I hope any future games won't have those gratuitous as fuck death scenes or that lead dev dude who wanted players to feel 'protective' over Laura (dude was a weirdo).

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    lead dev dude who wanted players to feel ‘protective’ over Laura (dude was a weirdo).

    Oh yuck!

    The good news is past the first game the death cutscenes are far less gratuitous, and honestly as long as you've got decent enough reactions you don't see very many of them. The third game in particular puts a ton of effort into being respectful, including for example, actually having NPCs speak in local languages with English subtitles rather than a crowd in Mexico City all speaking English for example

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      lead dev dude who wanted players to feel ‘protective’ over Laura (dude was a weirdo).

      Oh yuck!

      The good news is past the first game the death cutscenes are far less gratuitous, and honestly as long as you've got decent enough reactions you don't see very many of them. The third game in particular puts a ton of effort into being respectful, including for example, actually having NPCs speak in local languages with English subtitles rather than a crowd in Mexico City all speaking English for example

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      That's another detail that I loved, natural spoken language felt like an immersive choice, which served to make me feel like I was part of the game (even though I was watching someone else play). It sucks that more games don't do this, especially if they are set in foreign places.

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        The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast

        That's what I just said.

        If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?

        I listed a bunch of actually good "woke" media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.

        The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.

        it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

        Because Sony can't make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.

        There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said "any representation is good representation".

        Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.

        Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that's an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that's in theaters right now.

        Spotting background character 1 and 2's gay kiss in Disney's reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.

        When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie "for women" and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.

        This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.

        While I'm enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you're more interested in Disney's live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney's live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I'm not saying you can't.

        But the idea you have to "support it" is nothing but marketing. I don't think you're really supporting diverse stories, I think you're supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.

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        Suppose we agree then

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          I didn't played the game or read the books but I think if you are playing a game that is called Witcher and the Witcher himself is missing that is a big issue.

          Normally you would get a new game with a new title but big companies want to use the IP and think using a known title is always better than coming up with a new title.

          As I said I didn't played Witcher 3 so dunno if it makes sense, but I wouldn't be surprised if people are unhappy when their main character is missing in the game.

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          Yeah so others already explained it to you, but I'll give you a quick summary.

          Witcher is kind of a job title, but to get in you pretty much join a cult that gives you mutagens that give you cool powers, but also make you infertile and I believe resistant to STDs (this is why Geralt fucks so much).

          Ciri trained with the witchers of the Wolf school. I don't remember if she went through the mutations or not, but she has elder blood so she's already more powerful than Geralt. She's part of an end of the world prophecy. She's also essentially Geralt's adoptive daughter.

          By the end of Witcher 3, Geralt is getting kind of tired. There's literally no other Witcher in the universe more deserving to be the next lead than the spacetime manipulating princess who doesn't even want to inherit her real father's continent spanning empire because she'd rather be a badass Witcher.

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            I’m trying to remember the first game I played with a female lead and I think it was portal. And that woman didn’t speak. Strangely the next was transistor and she technically didn’t speak either.

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            Female protags are rare. They used to be epic loot, but it's getting better now.

            I guess it's Portal for me too. Then Oblivion with a female character with that golden armor from shivering isles for shiny boobs. I was a horny teen and porn was getting boring lol

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              What ISN’T woke to conservatives/republicans anymore?

              Please don’t answer that, I know the answer, but come on. Pick up a book.

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                My man Geralt looked like he was in dire need of a nap during the entire run of Witcher 3. Let him rest, people.

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                No rest for the wicked, and witchers be real wicked.

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                  The reactionary women-hating alt-right gamer-gate neo-nazi losers should just be ignored at this point.

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                  "at this point"

                  You've paid attention to them at some point?

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                    If you need consume X media to be able to enjoy Y media, we have a problem there, pal 😕

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                      If you need consume X media to be able to enjoy Y media, we have a problem there, pal 😕

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                      That's not what he said??

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                        hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...

                        they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...

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                        And this also explains why they've "grown" her into a plastic, lip-plumped, reality-TV-star banshee. The character model looks awful.

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                          He apparently worked on Oblivion (and Skyrim), so there's a chance. He took a chance on Starfield and failed, so hopefully he learns from that instead of doubling down.

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                          Yeah, but I don't have a ton of faith in him, especially given that one whiny twitter thread he made.

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                            The second one might benefit from a remaster by the time 4 comes out, as some of the models are a bit too XBox360 era, with the strangely wide shoulders and oversized arm muscles of the time

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                            That's fair. I was thinking more about the overall aesthetic, as it's a bit more stylised rather than leaning towards realism like in 1 and 3.

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                              Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn't got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

                              In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

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                              The first game didn't have much in the way of story. The focus was on the puzzles and adventuring. I don't think that makes her less of a woman character. In a video game, the assets are the only difference, anyway. Not that women can't be rough and adventurous and physical and like guns.

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                                Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn't got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

                                In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

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                                The protagonist is a woman.

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                                  Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

                                  That's what I don't understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They're awesome, they're fun as hell.

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                                  have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

                                  I have actually not. Thank you!

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