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"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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    I can't play games anymore because of nonsense like this. I changed hobbies to writing Chinese poetry and watching ballet. The last Ballet I saw was Swan Lake in China. Absolutely beautiful.

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      Imo there are two types of "wokeness".

      There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.

      And then there is a "diverse" story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think "wokeness" is trendy.

      Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic "woke" stories coming from the former group.

      The latter group comes up with stories like "Ghostbusters but all women" or "Oceans 11 but all women" which I think should rightly be criticized.

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      The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

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        I’m a straight male who is very secure in my masculinity. But I’ve gotten shit from people when I use female characters in games. Never understood why that’s a problem.

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          Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

          That's what I don't understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They're awesome, they're fun as hell.

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          The main bullshit complaint I've seen about the Horizon games boils down to "Aloy doesn't make my peepee hard". There are dudes out there who only want to see women they can goon to.

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            hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...

            they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...

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            These types of comments ignore the fact that Geralt is written in the exact same way.

            The "romance" dialog options tend to be god awful.

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              As far as fantasy goes, are the books good?

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              Yes, I think so. There's are interesting large scale trends in the book's world, and even though the protagonists are powerful beings, they're forced to mostly just witness and react to the events. The characters are deep and interesting and the overall plot is rewarding.

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                If a game is deemed "woke" by right-wing shitheads, that's like a seal of approval for me. Now, the game might still suck, but it's not because of being inclusive and diverse.

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                This is the first I've heard of this game being deemed woke.

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                  I've never read the books, but... It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.

                  Plus also she's awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can't enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it'll ruin my mood!

                  Honestly I'd rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths... And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn't the same gender as the player? lmao.

                  Maybe I'm just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.

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                  People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.

                  Idk why they blame woke though

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                    His point is that making it a joke is kinda homophobic. Like being gay is a joke.

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                    the joke isn't about being gay at all. it's about reactionary people complaining about things being woke and gay but refusing to play with a woman on camera at all times. it's using their inconsistency against them; not advocating for it.

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                      The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

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                      The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast

                      That's what I just said.

                      If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?

                      I listed a bunch of actually good "woke" media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.

                      The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.

                      it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

                      Because Sony can't make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.

                      There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said "any representation is good representation".

                      Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.

                      Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that's an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that's in theaters right now.

                      Spotting background character 1 and 2's gay kiss in Disney's reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.

                      When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie "for women" and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.

                      This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.

                      While I'm enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you're more interested in Disney's live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney's live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I'm not saying you can't.

                      But the idea you have to "support it" is nothing but marketing. I don't think you're really supporting diverse stories, I think you're supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.

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                        You’re not going to play Witcher 4 because of woke Ciri, I’m not going to play because I don’t like the games. We are not the same

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                        For real, the battle mechanics are just so clunky and slow. And the magic is just 5 times the same spell but with different colors.

                        Not to mention that you are shoehorned into a character that you don't get to decide, and the NPCs laugh at you if you choose dialogue options that don't fit this characters mold.

                        Rather play an actual RPG than this action adventure akin to Tomb Raider.

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                          I can't play games anymore because of nonsense like this. I changed hobbies to writing Chinese poetry and watching ballet. The last Ballet I saw was Swan Lake in China. Absolutely beautiful.

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                          Swansea is too woke. It has a female lead role.

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                            This is the first I've heard of this game being deemed woke.

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                            Didn't you hear? Ciri is older and therefore ugly now. The worst offence that a designer could make for a female character.

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                              Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

                              That's what I don't understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They're awesome, they're fun as hell.

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                              Also, Tomb Raider. One of the most well known videogame characters is literally an ass-kicking woman.

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                                I've only played Witcher 3, and I thought it was obvious that it's Ciri's story being told from the perspective of the supporting cast, and that is an incredibly cool literary device.

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                                Honestly the longform books take a similar approach, telling several very important people's stories from the perspective of how their stories intertwined with Geralt's and later Ciri's

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                                  People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.

                                  Idk why they blame woke though

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                                  Cranky brooding swordsman is kinda a one trick pony. It's brilliant and hilarious to respond to everything no matter how threatening with just a grunt or dismissive comment, but after 3 major games, it's time for something else

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                                    Fix two things:

                                    1. The weird loot range issue, where if you’re not standing in juuuuust the right angle, you won’t be able to loot certain corpses or containers.
                                    2. The fact that, outside of combat, controlling Geralt feels like driving a boat. Weird large turn radiuses, slow start and stop, etc… The devs did this to make his movement look more natural, but it feels like the game is constantly fighting against or trying to correct your inputs.

                                    Combine those two things together, and you get a consistently frustrating experience outside of combat. Installing a ranged loot mod was one of the biggest quality of life upgrades. You walk near a corpse or container, and it automatically gets looted.

                                    The combat can also get repetitive at times, and the difficulty scaling is weird too. But as long as those two things and still deliver a good story, I think players will ultimately walk away happy.

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                                    I feel like the repetitive combat is more a result of combat that actually encourages dodging and using signs rather than just standing still and slicing while the enemy either hits or not based on RNG, and the fact that in combat you truly are jumping around, dodging, parrying, etc. makes it more true to the source material.

                                    The style of combat in The Witcher 3 also makes it so that if you do find yourself in a much higher level fight than you should be you can with enough tries manage to beat it. I had one playthrough where I took on the werewolf quest while too low level for it, didn't preserve any saves before the no turning back point for the battle. In order to save my save file I had to keep trying and failing to defeat the werewolf until I finally got the hits and dodges just perfectly enough to defeat the werewolf. It sucked but ultimately it was possible to complete and not just by an attempt with golden RNG rolls results

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                                      Tomb Raider. That's all I'm gonna say.

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                                      Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn't got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

                                      In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

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                                        This is the first I've heard of this game being deemed woke.

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                                        If a game has a non-white or non-male protagonist, it's automatically "woke."

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                                          I've never read the books, but... It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.

                                          Plus also she's awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can't enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it'll ruin my mood!

                                          Honestly I'd rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths... And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn't the same gender as the player? lmao.

                                          Maybe I'm just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.

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                                          I didn't played the game or read the books but I think if you are playing a game that is called Witcher and the Witcher himself is missing that is a big issue.

                                          Normally you would get a new game with a new title but big companies want to use the IP and think using a known title is always better than coming up with a new title.

                                          As I said I didn't played Witcher 3 so dunno if it makes sense, but I wouldn't be surprised if people are unhappy when their main character is missing in the game.

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