"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"
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Not gonna lie, I was hoping they'd use some Law of Surprise stuff to give Geralt a new ward and let you create your own Witcher. But, if instead I get to do teleport strike bullshit with Ciri's powers, I'll be content.
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What does reading the books have to do with the game. The books take place before the game series. Or am I mistaken.
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Everything should be woke actually. If you complain about wokeness I don't think you deserve to enjoy things
Imo there are two types of "wokeness".
There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.
And then there is a "diverse" story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think "wokeness" is trendy.
Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic "woke" stories coming from the former group.
The latter group comes up with stories like "Ghostbusters but all women" or "Oceans 11 but all women" which I think should rightly be criticized.
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The reactionary women-hating alt-right gamer-gate neo-nazi losers should just be ignored at this point.
To be fair, this post is the first I’ve heard of people upset about it
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What does reading the books have to do with the game. The books take place before the game series. Or am I mistaken.
Yeah, Geralt and Yen "dies" and may or may not be saved by Ciri's power at the end of the series. Ciri is the pivotal character in the story, Geralt is really just there trying to find her.
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Eh, I didn't like Skyrim as much as Morrowind, so I think there's some room for ES6 to improve on ES5.
Oblivion and Skyrim were both massive disappointments to me.
If ES 6 comes out, it’ll have maybe three skills - magic/combat/sneak. Any interesting/complicated lore will be retconned and shoved aside. (Why wasn’t Cyrodil a jungle? Where are my river drakes? What happened to Sutch? Where is my Colovian armor set?)
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I've never read the books, but... It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.
Plus also she's awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can't enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it'll ruin my mood!
Honestly I'd rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths... And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn't the same gender as the player? lmao.
Maybe I'm just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.
Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!
That's what I don't understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They're awesome, they're fun as hell.
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I'd be down for Witcher 4: Winedew Valley
Honestly, as a stopgap that just releases out of nowhere for the sole purpose of building hype for the actual Witcher 4, kinda like how Bethesda did with their random vault dweller mobile game, I'd be all for it.
Bonus points if it's 16 bit.
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Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts
So I recently devoured the book series and can clarify, she was first trained as a Witcher, then as a sourceress by Yennefer, but after she was teleported into the middle of the desert and tried to use fire as a source of power out of desperation, she gave up all magical abilities as the fire was trying to consumer her. So shes a brilliant swordswoman, has partial Witcher mutation (some of the mutations come from the secret Witcher diet which she was fed at Ker Moren while being trained) and depending on when in the timeline the game takes place she would have incredible reflexes and some interdimensional travel capabilities.
There's also some really interesting opportunities for storytelling given how Ciri's background is just soaked in trauma. On that note, I am also curious if they intend to play down the salaciousness for this entry or not. In the books Ciri was definitely curious (and heavily implied to be bi) but remained a virgin, and by the end of the series she was still a minor by modern standards. I want to say she was 16 or so at the end of the last book.
I'm super excited to see where this game goes, because if its worthy of being released after the masterpiece that was The Witcher 3, it's going to be brilliant
With regards to Ciri's age, she's 21 during the main events in The Witcher 3.
At the end of the books she's 17.
No idea if they'll play down the salaciousness or not, but given when the game will likely take place that at least won't be any issues with the main character being a minor.
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I can't play games anymore because of nonsense like this. I changed hobbies to writing Chinese poetry and watching ballet. The last Ballet I saw was Swan Lake in China. Absolutely beautiful.
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Imo there are two types of "wokeness".
There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.
And then there is a "diverse" story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think "wokeness" is trendy.
Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic "woke" stories coming from the former group.
The latter group comes up with stories like "Ghostbusters but all women" or "Oceans 11 but all women" which I think should rightly be criticized.
The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI
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I’m a straight male who is very secure in my masculinity. But I’ve gotten shit from people when I use female characters in games. Never understood why that’s a problem.
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Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!
That's what I don't understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They're awesome, they're fun as hell.
The main bullshit complaint I've seen about the Horizon games boils down to "Aloy doesn't make my peepee hard". There are dudes out there who only want to see women they can goon to.
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hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...
they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...
These types of comments ignore the fact that Geralt is written in the exact same way.
The "romance" dialog options tend to be god awful.
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As far as fantasy goes, are the books good?
Yes, I think so. There's are interesting large scale trends in the book's world, and even though the protagonists are powerful beings, they're forced to mostly just witness and react to the events. The characters are deep and interesting and the overall plot is rewarding.
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If a game is deemed "woke" by right-wing shitheads, that's like a seal of approval for me. Now, the game might still suck, but it's not because of being inclusive and diverse.
This is the first I've heard of this game being deemed woke.
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I've never read the books, but... It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.
Plus also she's awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can't enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it'll ruin my mood!
Honestly I'd rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths... And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn't the same gender as the player? lmao.
Maybe I'm just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.
wrote last edited by [email protected]People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.
Idk why they blame woke though
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His point is that making it a joke is kinda homophobic. Like being gay is a joke.
the joke isn't about being gay at all. it's about reactionary people complaining about things being woke and gay but refusing to play with a woman on camera at all times. it's using their inconsistency against them; not advocating for it.
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The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI
The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast
That's what I just said.
If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?
I listed a bunch of actually good "woke" media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.
The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.
it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI
Because Sony can't make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.
There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said "any representation is good representation".
Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.
Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that's an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that's in theaters right now.
Spotting background character 1 and 2's gay kiss in Disney's reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.
When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie "for women" and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.
This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.
While I'm enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you're more interested in Disney's live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney's live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I'm not saying you can't.
But the idea you have to "support it" is nothing but marketing. I don't think you're really supporting diverse stories, I think you're supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.
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You’re not going to play Witcher 4 because of woke Ciri, I’m not going to play because I don’t like the games. We are not the same
For real, the battle mechanics are just so clunky and slow. And the magic is just 5 times the same spell but with different colors.
Not to mention that you are shoehorned into a character that you don't get to decide, and the NPCs laugh at you if you choose dialogue options that don't fit this characters mold.
Rather play an actual RPG than this action adventure akin to Tomb Raider.
