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  3. "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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    I was under the impression that it wasn't Victorian London, but The Plague Year. IIRC she, canonically, brings a blanket infested with plague lice from here to there, and ends up dropping it next to the ship Catriona, which is how the Catriona plague actually gets started. It was one of those "oh shit, yes, that explains everything" moments for me when I first read the books.

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    oh yeah, it's been a while. details at foggy.

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      hold up… ciri fucked a horse?

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      no, but she kind of wanted to... but it's also way more fucked than that.
      please don't make me type it out here. I'll just say it involves violent rape while she's still under age. it could be construed as a trauma response, but it's debatable... I'm not convinced that sapkowski would have known what a trauma response was when he wrote that scene in the.... 90s?

      can't actuality remember which book that happened in.

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      • kinther@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

        I never really thought about it like that. Is that how the book series goes? I probably should read those as well

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        kind of, it's more like it starts a geralt's story, but becomes ciri's story. the first two books are all geralt. after that it's about geralt and ciri's relationship. then by the last book we barely even see geralt.

        then after the series was finished he started writing more little stories from earlier in geralt's life.

        as i said in another comment. it's downright bizarre that ciri doesn't get mentioned until the third game. she almost makes more sense as the protag anyway.

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          Oh boy the only issue I have is that I'm going to be unstoppable, Ciri is literally a broken main character nearing her full potential.

          Bitch can fucking dimension travel, trained in sword and fight by other witchers and IIRC Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts as well so it'd be like having an OP mix of Geralt+Yennefer

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          Bitch

          Why?

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            I'm mad about Ciri being the main character, however the reason I'm mad is not because of her character or her being a woman. What I'm upset about is that I thought this game would take place in a completely different time period or region. Like maybe during the first witchers? Maybe in the future? But no, CDPR is just force extending existing characters and a story that clearly ended. Zzzzz

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            Quite the opposite for me. Having only random ass characters in the story would kill all my hype. Also I wished for Ciri as MC in the next game ever since I player W3, so for 10 years now.

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              Reading is also woke

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              • comrade_spood@slrpnk.netC [email protected]

                Unless you are also complaining about it when white male characters are also surface-level, 2-D, copy-and-paste characters then all you are saying is "Only white male characters are allowed to be simple or a stereotype/trope." Lets be honest, not every game needs a complex and well written character, and that is fine. If they choose to go that route it doesn't matter what race, religion, or gender the character is in the first place. So it doesn't matter if they are a white male, a latina woman, or a black non-binary person.

                Now I'm also not gonna shut down your solution without being constructive and providing my own solution, cause I don't think quotas are the answer either. Instead we should be uplifting and empowering marginalized creators and game designers so that they can make more characters that they want to make. Which is generally characters they can relate to. If people want more characters that are women, then the game industry needs to become a safe space for women and empower them so they can provide more representation for characters. Same thing for any other demographic. That will make sure that these characters are being made in an aethentic and organic way, and not just being pumped out to meet a quota, but also isn't restricting when marginalized demographics can be used as characters.

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                Unless you are also complaining about it when white male characters are also surface-level, 2-D, copy-and-paste characters then all you are saying is "Only white male characters are allowed to be simple or a stereotype/trope."

                What? Where am I saying that?

                Yes I would complain about all kind of stereotypes. Even the "white muscular tough guy" could be considered sexual objectification. IMO CoD is sometimes pretty gay coded.

                Lets be honest, not every game needs a complex and well written character, and that is fine. If they choose to go that route it doesn't matter what race, religion, or gender the character is in the first place. So it doesn't matter if they are a white male, a latina woman, or a black non-binary person.

                I wasn't saying that. You can have games without a single character. Or where the character doesn't really matter, because it just an empty shell you are driving around and not more.

                But IMO I mostly play story driven RPGs, where you are someone, and where you want the environment to react to you. It would be awesome if when you run around with colorful hair or tattoos, it would slightly change the disposition of the NPCs or cause them to comment on your appearance. Don't let this stuff be just cosmetics, it should be more meaningful, and embedded into the game world.

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                  Bitch

                  Why?

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                  Is there an interpretation where it means somebody who is shockingly audacious?

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                  • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                    They hate us cause they anus

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                    Woah... Is that a... A Triple entendre?

                    Aint us (the original idiom)

                    They're anuses/assholes/jerks (the pun)

                    No cheeks, just anus (literal)

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                      Woah... Is that a... A Triple entendre?

                      Aint us (the original idiom)

                      They're anuses/assholes/jerks (the pun)

                      No cheeks, just anus (literal)

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                      The complexity was initially sensed, though I did not encompass it at the time of writing

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                        hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...

                        they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...

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                          hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...

                          they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...

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                          I get this somewhat but including ciri? I feel like there was none of that with her character. What about her struck you as that?

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                            Lol yes, thank you. I'm of the opinion that using /s defeats the whole point of sarcasm.. But at the same time I suspect the world is going crazy via misinterpreted sarcasm on the Internet.. It's a tough decision, maybe I should be using /s but then it's not sarcasm anymore..

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                            Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

                            Poe's law is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum on Christianity. The message was posted during a debate on creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user: "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious".[4]

                            The reply by Nathan Poe read:[1]

                            Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

                            The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

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                              Oh boy the only issue I have is that I'm going to be unstoppable, Ciri is literally a broken main character nearing her full potential.

                              Bitch can fucking dimension travel, trained in sword and fight by other witchers and IIRC Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts as well so it'd be like having an OP mix of Geralt+Yennefer

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                              Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts

                              So I recently devoured the book series and can clarify, she was first trained as a Witcher, then as a sourceress by Yennefer, but after she was teleported into the middle of the desert and tried to use fire as a source of power out of desperation, she gave up all magical abilities as the fire was trying to consumer her. So shes a brilliant swordswoman, has partial Witcher mutation (some of the mutations come from the secret Witcher diet which she was fed at Ker Moren while being trained) and depending on when in the timeline the game takes place she would have incredible reflexes and some interdimensional travel capabilities.

                              There's also some really interesting opportunities for storytelling given how Ciri's background is just soaked in trauma. On that note, I am also curious if they intend to play down the salaciousness for this entry or not. In the books Ciri was definitely curious (and heavily implied to be bi) but remained a virgin, and by the end of the series she was still a minor by modern standards. I want to say she was 16 or so at the end of the last book.

                              I'm super excited to see where this game goes, because if its worthy of being released after the masterpiece that was The Witcher 3, it's going to be brilliant

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                                Reading is also woke

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                                Well I have had dreams of reading books. They’re weird. Like, I know it’s a dream and the sentences don’t make any sense. But I keep reading it anyways.

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                                  Hey, anybody remember when MGS 2 came out, and the mass of NA gamers were raging about having to play as Raiden, because he was a ... well in modern parlance, a beta cuck soyboy?

                                  Kinda flew over all their heads that Raiden was basically a more realistic reflection of the NA target demo for MGS games, and oh he also goes through legitimate character development, gains maturity and confidence, oh well now, more lately, he's basically a badass fucking cyberninja.

                                  ... Passing the torch off to Ciri fucking entirely makes sense within the world and lore of the Witcher series... and I thought we liked having an attractive gal booty to ogle at in third person?

                                  Or is that now gay?

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                                  Passing the torch off to Ciri fucking entirely makes sense within the world and lore of the Witcher serie

                                  It's also literally what happens in the books. Ciri grows as a person and becomes a badass swordswoman while Geralt eventually swears off taking monster contracts and later actually stops killing monsters. He even goes to donate his sword before getting pulled into one last battle to protect his friends and chosen family

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                                    People are complaining of having to stare at a female's body while playing? They prefer looking at at male's butt? That's soooo gay!

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                                    I’m a straight male who is very secure in my masculinity. But I’ve gotten shit from people when I use female characters in games. Never understood why that’s a problem.

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                                      Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.

                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

                                      Poe's law is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum on Christianity. The message was posted during a debate on creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user: "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious".[4]

                                      The reply by Nathan Poe read:[1]

                                      Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

                                      The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

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                                      Since when is Poe making laws? I thought he’s an X-Wing pilot.

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                                      • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                                        If a game is deemed "woke" by right-wing shitheads, that's like a seal of approval for me. Now, the game might still suck, but it's not because of being inclusive and diverse.

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                                        If it does "flop", they undoubtedly would chalk it up to it being inclusive and diverse though. Otherwise they just quickly move on to the next target.

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                                          You’re not going to play Witcher 4 because of woke Ciri, I’m not going to play because I don’t like the games. We are not the same

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