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  3. "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • F f_off_reddit@lemmy.world
    22 May 2025, 15:37

    Oh boy the only issue I have is that I'm going to be unstoppable, Ciri is literally a broken main character nearing her full potential.

    Bitch can fucking dimension travel, trained in sword and fight by other witchers and IIRC Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts as well so it'd be like having an OP mix of Geralt+Yennefer

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    rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
    wrote on 22 May 2025, 16:23 last edited by
    #168

    I mean, she couldn't even counterattack in W3.

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    • M moakley@lemmy.world
      22 May 2025, 15:32

      "Woke" has had a consistent meaning since its introduction into the English language almost a hundred years ago. It means "Aware of systemic racism."

      When blues legend Lead Belly ended a show in 1938 by saying, "Stay woke," he meant: "Stay aware of systemic racism."

      When some chud on YouTube in 2025 says "'Woke' is ruining gaming," he means that awareness of systemic racism is ruining gaming. For him.

      And when an American politician calls himself "anti-woke", he's saying that he opposes the awareness of systemic racism. Not that he denies the existence of it, but that he'd prefer no one talk about it, so that it can continue.

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      floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      wrote on 22 May 2025, 16:27 last edited by floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      #169

      When some chud on YouTube in 2025 says "'Woke' is ruining gaming," he means that awareness of systemic racism is ruining gaming. For him.

      I don't think it even goes that far tbh. Especially for less political, more gamer-type "conservatives", it just means "the other side", forcing so many girls (1) into their game. Maybe it's just to deflect having to admit to being a misogynist.

      And when an American politician calls himself "anti-woke", he's saying that he opposes the awareness of systemic racism. Not that he denies the existence of it, but that he'd prefer no one talk about it, so that it can continue.

      Yes, exactly. No sane person would call themselves "anti-woke". Unless they're successful in subverting its meaning to be "those we'll put in concentration camps". Oh wait, that still wouldn't make you sane.

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      • S sconrad122@lemmy.world
        22 May 2025, 16:17

        Just open YouTube in incognito mode and search a game title probably works. YouTube's algorithm loves serving up manosphere style content like that like my dog loves eating my other dog's poop. It's disturbing on both fronts

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        rose@lemmy.zip
        wrote on 22 May 2025, 16:30 last edited by
        #170

        Very true. I have its history tracking disabled, but it still suggests those videos or creators even when I'm watching something that has no relation to outrage, like a movie trailer or a GDC talk like one on Unreal Engine.

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        • U untorquer@lemmy.world
          22 May 2025, 15:09
          1. This seems sarcastic. I can tell by the punctuations i am seeing.
          2. It's abit gay tho
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          courval@lemmy.world
          wrote on 22 May 2025, 16:37 last edited by courval@lemmy.world
          #171

          Lol yes, thank you. I'm of the opinion that using /s defeats the whole point of sarcasm.. But at the same time I suspect the world is going crazy via misinterpreted sarcasm on the Internet.. It's a tough decision, maybe I should be using /s but then it's not sarcasm anymore..

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          • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
            22 May 2025, 11:41

            Unpopular opinion:

            Witcher 4 won’t be as good as Witcher 3 cause the third one was very good.

            So no matter who they chose, it’s probably gonna be underwhelming.

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            rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
            wrote on 22 May 2025, 16:38 last edited by
            #172

            I thought the same thing about Cyberpunk, they couldn't make lightning strike twice. But in the end, once the issues were fixed, it's also one of my favorite modern games.

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            • H hadriscus@lemm.ee
              22 May 2025, 15:31

              I think it's risk aversion to some extent ?

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              feelzgoodman420@eviltoast.org
              wrote on 22 May 2025, 17:23 last edited by feelzgoodman420@eviltoast.org
              #173

              It's the same bullshit that has ruined hollywood. It's safer to just reboot some bullshit or force a sequel vs. coming up with something new and original.

              I'm not saying doing another Witcher game in general is a forced sequel. But using the same damn character is definitely a forced extension.

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              • S sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                22 May 2025, 15:38

                Eh, I didn't like Skyrim as much as Morrowind, so I think there's some room for ES6 to improve on ES5.

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                jtskywalker@lemm.ee
                wrote on 22 May 2025, 17:35 last edited by
                #174

                Morrowind is the best. Oblivion remaster is better than skyrim (in my Morrowboomer opinion) and that was just refreshing a 20 year old game. I feel like there is a lot of hype for TES6 that it may not live up to, but surpassing skyrim is definitely doable.

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                • R rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
                  22 May 2025, 16:38

                  I thought the same thing about Cyberpunk, they couldn't make lightning strike twice. But in the end, once the issues were fixed, it's also one of my favorite modern games.

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                  grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
                  wrote on 22 May 2025, 17:41 last edited by
                  #175

                  Although I really liked cyberpunk and I’ve finished both that and Witcher 3 and cyberpunk is my favourite…

                  Really? I thought Witcher 3 was iconic, like it broke out of the regular gaming culture and into the mainstream, idk if cyberpunk did that.

                  My world would be better if Witcher 4 is better than 3 but I have doubts

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                  • C courval@lemmy.world
                    22 May 2025, 16:37

                    Lol yes, thank you. I'm of the opinion that using /s defeats the whole point of sarcasm.. But at the same time I suspect the world is going crazy via misinterpreted sarcasm on the Internet.. It's a tough decision, maybe I should be using /s but then it's not sarcasm anymore..

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                    untorquer@lemmy.world
                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 17:57 last edited by untorquer@lemmy.world
                    #176

                    🤣

                    I don't think sarcasm is the problem. The bad actors are. In fact i think sarcasm is more necessary than ever:

                    1. If we don't understand what is and IS NOT sarcasm, the opinions of bad actors won't be laughed at. If they aren't actively laughed at they'll be encouraged by the idea that they're being taken seriously.
                    2. If people don't learn to recognize bullshit with friends(in a safe environment) then they're going to fail to differentiate the truth elsewhere where it can truly hurt them and those around them.
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                    • W wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
                      22 May 2025, 09:56

                      I was under the impression that it wasn't Victorian London, but The Plague Year. IIRC she, canonically, brings a blanket infested with plague lice from here to there, and ends up dropping it next to the ship Catriona, which is how the Catriona plague actually gets started. It was one of those "oh shit, yes, that explains everything" moments for me when I first read the books.

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                      thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 18:03 last edited by
                      #177

                      oh yeah, it's been a while. details at foggy.

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                      • C cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world
                        22 May 2025, 14:12

                        hold up… ciri fucked a horse?

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                        thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 18:03 last edited by thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
                        #178

                        no, but she kind of wanted to... but it's also way more fucked than that.
                        please don't make me type it out here. I'll just say it involves violent rape while she's still under age. it could be construed as a trauma response, but it's debatable... I'm not convinced that sapkowski would have known what a trauma response was when he wrote that scene in the.... 90s?

                        can't actuality remember which book that happened in.

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                        • K kinther@lemmy.world
                          22 May 2025, 15:06

                          I never really thought about it like that. Is that how the book series goes? I probably should read those as well

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                          thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 22 May 2025, 18:21 last edited by thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
                          #179

                          kind of, it's more like it starts a geralt's story, but becomes ciri's story. the first two books are all geralt. after that it's about geralt and ciri's relationship. then by the last book we barely even see geralt.

                          then after the series was finished he started writing more little stories from earlier in geralt's life.

                          as i said in another comment. it's downright bizarre that ciri doesn't get mentioned until the third game. she almost makes more sense as the protag anyway.

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                          • F f_off_reddit@lemmy.world
                            22 May 2025, 15:37

                            Oh boy the only issue I have is that I'm going to be unstoppable, Ciri is literally a broken main character nearing her full potential.

                            Bitch can fucking dimension travel, trained in sword and fight by other witchers and IIRC Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts as well so it'd be like having an OP mix of Geralt+Yennefer

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                            upperbroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                            wrote on 22 May 2025, 18:43 last edited by
                            #180

                            Bitch

                            Why?

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                            • F feelzgoodman420@eviltoast.org
                              22 May 2025, 12:47

                              I'm mad about Ciri being the main character, however the reason I'm mad is not because of her character or her being a woman. What I'm upset about is that I thought this game would take place in a completely different time period or region. Like maybe during the first witchers? Maybe in the future? But no, CDPR is just force extending existing characters and a story that clearly ended. Zzzzz

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                              saharamaleikuhm@feddit.org
                              wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:02 last edited by
                              #181

                              Quite the opposite for me. Having only random ass characters in the story would kill all my hype. Also I wished for Ciri as MC in the next game ever since I player W3, so for 10 years now.

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                                21 May 2025, 23:25
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                                raxiel@lemmy.world
                                wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:11 last edited by
                                #182

                                Reading is also woke

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                                • C comrade_spood@slrpnk.net
                                  22 May 2025, 10:41

                                  Unless you are also complaining about it when white male characters are also surface-level, 2-D, copy-and-paste characters then all you are saying is "Only white male characters are allowed to be simple or a stereotype/trope." Lets be honest, not every game needs a complex and well written character, and that is fine. If they choose to go that route it doesn't matter what race, religion, or gender the character is in the first place. So it doesn't matter if they are a white male, a latina woman, or a black non-binary person.

                                  Now I'm also not gonna shut down your solution without being constructive and providing my own solution, cause I don't think quotas are the answer either. Instead we should be uplifting and empowering marginalized creators and game designers so that they can make more characters that they want to make. Which is generally characters they can relate to. If people want more characters that are women, then the game industry needs to become a safe space for women and empower them so they can provide more representation for characters. Same thing for any other demographic. That will make sure that these characters are being made in an aethentic and organic way, and not just being pumped out to meet a quota, but also isn't restricting when marginalized demographics can be used as characters.

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                                  cmhe@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:19 last edited by
                                  #183

                                  Unless you are also complaining about it when white male characters are also surface-level, 2-D, copy-and-paste characters then all you are saying is "Only white male characters are allowed to be simple or a stereotype/trope."

                                  What? Where am I saying that?

                                  Yes I would complain about all kind of stereotypes. Even the "white muscular tough guy" could be considered sexual objectification. IMO CoD is sometimes pretty gay coded.

                                  Lets be honest, not every game needs a complex and well written character, and that is fine. If they choose to go that route it doesn't matter what race, religion, or gender the character is in the first place. So it doesn't matter if they are a white male, a latina woman, or a black non-binary person.

                                  I wasn't saying that. You can have games without a single character. Or where the character doesn't really matter, because it just an empty shell you are driving around and not more.

                                  But IMO I mostly play story driven RPGs, where you are someone, and where you want the environment to react to you. It would be awesome if when you run around with colorful hair or tattoos, it would slightly change the disposition of the NPCs or cause them to comment on your appearance. Don't let this stuff be just cosmetics, it should be more meaningful, and embedded into the game world.

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                                  • U upperbroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                    22 May 2025, 18:43

                                    Bitch

                                    Why?

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                                    warbond@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:26 last edited by
                                    #184

                                    Is there an interpretation where it means somebody who is shockingly audacious?

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                                    • G gradually_adjusting@lemmy.world
                                      22 May 2025, 10:40

                                      They hate us cause they anus

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                                      scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:28 last edited by
                                      #185

                                      Woah... Is that a... A Triple entendre?

                                      Aint us (the original idiom)

                                      They're anuses/assholes/jerks (the pun)

                                      No cheeks, just anus (literal)

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                                      • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                        22 May 2025, 19:28

                                        Woah... Is that a... A Triple entendre?

                                        Aint us (the original idiom)

                                        They're anuses/assholes/jerks (the pun)

                                        No cheeks, just anus (literal)

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                                        gradually_adjusting@lemmy.world
                                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:44 last edited by
                                        #186

                                        The complexity was initially sensed, though I did not encompass it at the time of writing

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                                        • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
                                          21 May 2025, 23:25
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                                          zebidiah@lemmy.ca
                                          wrote on 22 May 2025, 20:04 last edited by
                                          #187

                                          hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed...

                                          they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction...

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