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  3. "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

    Maybe not here in the fediverse, but there are dozens of youtube channels that are all about whining about "the woke" ruining the gaming industry, "explaining" how every spectacular failure we've seen in the last few years (Starfield, Concord) are because of DEI wokeness, etc.

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    Searching for Dustborn on YouTube is the best way to get introduced to those channels.

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      I don't know if I have met anyone complaining about Ciri being the protagonist of Witcher 4. Even the most conservative people I know who are fans of the series are pumped about her being the main character because they love the story and it's the only logical way forward. The only complaints I have heard are that in universe she's kind of overpowered for a video game protagonist. I think people whining about this are fake fans or just agitators who don't even play these games.

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      just agitators who don’t even play these games.

      Duh, however, they get millions of views across YouTube and X and hundreds of thousands of followers on Steam.

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        I'm mad about Ciri being the main character, however the reason I'm mad is not because of her character or her being a woman. What I'm upset about is that I thought this game would take place in a completely different time period or region. Like maybe during the first witchers? Maybe in the future? But no, CDPR is just force extending existing characters and a story that clearly ended. Zzzzz

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        Exactly my opinion as well, last game ended perfectly for a new story.

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          Unpopular opinion:

          Witcher 4 won’t be as good as Witcher 3 cause the third one was very good.

          So no matter who they chose, it’s probably gonna be underwhelming.

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          This is why we'll never see elder scrolls 6

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            Honestly I think W3 jumped the shark when it added a fifth faction for Gwent, and I know I'm not alone in this opinion.

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              anyone who has read the books was likely surprised that ciri wasn't the main character of any of the games when they first started coming out :::especially since geralt dies at the end of the books :::

              ciri was more the mc than geralt for most of the books. she's the child of destiny. she's the young character that grows up as we follow their journey. she's the one that finds herself and shows major character development throughout the books. the only character development geralt goes through is accepting his bond with ciri.

              the first two games never mentioning ciri was outright bizarre tbh. only even remotely possibly because geralt lost his memory. like, with where geralt as at by the end of the books the only thing you could possibly expect him to do on regaining his memory is frantically search for signs of his adopted daughter

              to a longtime book reader my reaction to ciri being the protag of the next game was "FINALLY"

              my only curiosity at this point is how much she'll be like book ciri. does she know magic? in the books ciri goes to sorceress school and then gets trained in primal magic by unicorns and immortal space elves. can you fuck a horse? that was one of the more... questionable scenes in the book.

              tangent: sapkowski's politics occasionally bleed through in weird ways in the books. like three's a scene where a woman finds out she's pregnant mid way through a literal war that our band wades through on their journey to save the world. the party basically needs the woman to proceed. she does not want the child. i believe it was the product of rape. yet for some reason geralt and a literal fucking vampire convince her that abortion is wrong and she should keep it instead of drinking a potion about it. it was so randomly out of character for everyone involved. but hey, that's catholics for you i guess...
              /tangent

              i think they generally said that ciri lost her elder blood powers after the king of the hunt was killed right? otherwise I'm gonna be really curious how handle that as well. she should be sort of the world's greatest sorceress otherwise. ooh, i wonder if she'll make quips about cyberpunk and/or other worlds she's traveled to. like, she spent Decent bit of time in Arthurian legend. she shows up briefly in Victorian London.

              also, what will the world at large look like? they can't do it like the last time where your previous save could alter the new game based on your decisions. you were simply able to do too much. they'd need to make like 3 entirely separate stories at the very least. like, who rules the north? are you the empress of nilfguard? is the church burning all the nonhumans at record pace? you can basically decide the entire fate of the northern realms and all of its people in multiple ways... unless it just takes place elsewhere. maybe we'll be in zerrikania this time or some shit. there are many distant lands that the games never take us. it would be much more doable that way. then you'd just have to change dialogue and maybe swap out a few characters.

              aaaanyway... yeah, anyone mad about her being the mc is a dumbass that doesn't know shit about the story.

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              hold up… ciri fucked a horse?

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                Exactly my opinion as well, last game ended perfectly for a new story.

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                Yes. The games already retconned the ending of the books, which was pretty finalized. But whatever, the games were good. But now they're just force extending an already forced extended storyline rofl. I was hoping for completely new characters in a completely new settings/time period. Such a fucking shame.

                They made such a big deal about the witcher 4 not being about Geralt and being it's own story, and now they're just extending Ciri's storyline. Pretty braindead decision in my opinion. It feels like they are just lazy and gave up on making a new character.

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                • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

                  Maybe not here in the fediverse, but there are dozens of youtube channels that are all about whining about "the woke" ruining the gaming industry, "explaining" how every spectacular failure we've seen in the last few years (Starfield, Concord) are because of DEI wokeness, etc.

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                  Yeah and they're all fucking losers, it really feels like the vast majority of people don't care about whatever these online people say 'woke' is. It's the same as complaining about "political correctness gone mad", affirmative action, etc, the same complaints they've had about social progress for decades. Nothing about these youtubers is new or worth dignifying with a response.

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                    People are complaining of having to stare at a female's body while playing? They prefer looking at at male's butt? That's soooo gay!

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                      People are complaining of having to stare at a female's body while playing? They prefer looking at at male's butt? That's soooo gay!

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                      Can we stop with this stupid and homophobic argument?

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                        She's not just the main character towards the end, she is the main character of the story. We play Geralt, who is a side character in Ciri's story.

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                        I never really thought about it like that. Is that how the book series goes? I probably should read those as well

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                          Can we stop with this stupid and homophobic argument?

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                          Have you considered that the comment could, in fact, be a joke?

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                            Can we stop with this stupid and homophobic argument?

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                            1. This seems sarcastic. I can tell by the punctuations i am seeing.
                            2. It's abit gay tho
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                              I am currently ingesting a cocktail of complex chemicals that are manipulating my sensory receptors, sending electrical impulses through my neural system and altering the balance of neurotransmitters in my brain.

                              Anyway, I'm kinda enjoying that sandwich.

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                              Good one, although still sounding benign.
                              Hormones and in general stuff related to flesh is when this shit hits MeatCanyon territory.

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                                Don't let the alt-right dictate what "woke" means

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                                I would love to not let the nazis dictate how the swastika is used, but their perversion of the original meaning has permanently altered how it's seen by the rest of the world. Claiming the moral high ground by trying to force something to mean what it no longer does is a pointless exercise.

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                                  Hey, anybody remember when MGS 2 came out, and the mass of NA gamers were raging about having to play as Raiden, because he was a ... well in modern parlance, a beta cuck soyboy?

                                  Kinda flew over all their heads that Raiden was basically a more realistic reflection of the NA target demo for MGS games, and oh he also goes through legitimate character development, gains maturity and confidence, oh well now, more lately, he's basically a badass fucking cyberninja.

                                  ... Passing the torch off to Ciri fucking entirely makes sense within the world and lore of the Witcher series... and I thought we liked having an attractive gal booty to ogle at in third person?

                                  Or is that now gay?

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                                    Yes. The games already retconned the ending of the books, which was pretty finalized. But whatever, the games were good. But now they're just force extending an already forced extended storyline rofl. I was hoping for completely new characters in a completely new settings/time period. Such a fucking shame.

                                    They made such a big deal about the witcher 4 not being about Geralt and being it's own story, and now they're just extending Ciri's storyline. Pretty braindead decision in my opinion. It feels like they are just lazy and gave up on making a new character.

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                                    I think it's risk aversion to some extent ?

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                                      This is why we'll never see elder scrolls 6

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                                      Oh we will see it ! I'm confident it's going to be shit, but who knows

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                                        I won't. Nobody is able to define what "wokeness" really means to them because it's mostly code for "subset of people I don't want to exist around me".

                                        Surprisingly, that doesn't sound very good when said out loud.

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                                        "Woke" has had a consistent meaning since its introduction into the English language almost a hundred years ago. It means "Aware of systemic racism."

                                        When blues legend Lead Belly ended a show in 1938 by saying, "Stay woke," he meant: "Stay aware of systemic racism."

                                        When some chud on YouTube in 2025 says "'Woke' is ruining gaming," he means that awareness of systemic racism is ruining gaming. For him.

                                        And when an American politician calls himself "anti-woke", he's saying that he opposes the awareness of systemic racism. Not that he denies the existence of it, but that he'd prefer no one talk about it, so that it can continue.

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                                          Fix two things:

                                          1. The weird loot range issue, where if you’re not standing in juuuuust the right angle, you won’t be able to loot certain corpses or containers.
                                          2. The fact that, outside of combat, controlling Geralt feels like driving a boat. Weird large turn radiuses, slow start and stop, etc… The devs did this to make his movement look more natural, but it feels like the game is constantly fighting against or trying to correct your inputs.

                                          Combine those two things together, and you get a consistently frustrating experience outside of combat. Installing a ranged loot mod was one of the biggest quality of life upgrades. You walk near a corpse or container, and it automatically gets looted.

                                          The combat can also get repetitive at times, and the difficulty scaling is weird too. But as long as those two things and still deliver a good story, I think players will ultimately walk away happy.

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                                          If I ever replay it I'm going to try and remember the existence of this mod because it was painful

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