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Microsoft Shifts Xbox Gaming Handheld Ambitions to Third-Party Windows Handhelds, Postpones 2027 Launch Plans

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  • A alecsadler@sh.itjust.works
    30 May 2025, 06:30

    There is absolutely zero chance a windows handheld gaming device succeeds, what the actual fuck are they thinking, lol.

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    plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
    wrote on 30 May 2025, 08:43 last edited by
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    What do you mean? The ROG Ally has been successful. It’s a great device.

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      yesman@lemmy.world
      wrote on 30 May 2025, 08:52 last edited by
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      If M$ was smart, they'd develop a version of Windows optimized for gaming. But they can't do that without implying that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

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      • Y yesman@lemmy.world
        30 May 2025, 08:52

        If M$ was smart, they'd develop a version of Windows optimized for gaming. But they can't do that without implying that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

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        spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca
        wrote on 30 May 2025, 09:54 last edited by
        #11

        That is literally what they’re doing.

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        • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
          30 May 2025, 08:43

          What do you mean? The ROG Ally has been successful. It’s a great device.

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          It's powerful, but the device isn't "great." It suffers from poor ASUS quality control and support. Let's also not forget the notorious overheating SD card slot because they thought it was a good idea to put it next to the exhaust. It's a poorly thought out design especially compared to the Steam Deck. Valve's effort is still the best on the market.

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          • Y yesman@lemmy.world
            30 May 2025, 08:52

            If M$ was smart, they'd develop a version of Windows optimized for gaming. But they can't do that without implying that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

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            natanael@infosec.pub
            wrote on 30 May 2025, 10:39 last edited by
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            They're probably building off Windows RT (the locked down variant designed for ARM tablets).

            If they were smart they'd imitate some of how SteamOS runs games in a modified WinRT environment - TLDR do NOT start up the entire Win32 runtime and desktop environment by default, don't run stuff like printer services and whatnot, just run a simplified sandbox and window manager with just the APIs needed to run the games similar to Proton. Then let the user switch to desktop mode as needed, but don't run it when gaming.

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            • ? Guest
              30 May 2025, 10:02

              It's powerful, but the device isn't "great." It suffers from poor ASUS quality control and support. Let's also not forget the notorious overheating SD card slot because they thought it was a good idea to put it next to the exhaust. It's a poorly thought out design especially compared to the Steam Deck. Valve's effort is still the best on the market.

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              plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
              wrote on 30 May 2025, 10:43 last edited by plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
              #14

              I bought mine used with the SD card slot busted and I still think it’s great. Maybe because I didn’t pay 600 bucks for it!Definitely my favorite handheld ever.

              I think the Steam Deck is pretty neat and I love the design of the device itself (I am not enthusiastic about the Ally’s L337G4mer aesthetics, and even less so with the monstrosity above), but for me not having access to Gamepass is a deal breaker so I’d never consider it. Maybe when I fully jump into PC gaming sometime soon I’ll switch my tune. But I digress. Other than the SD issue I’ve found that the ROG Ally is a very capable device and I have seen no other issues with it to be honest. The software it comes with is actually pretty good and makes it so that you don’t have to deal with Windows almost at all. The coolest thing is that you can dock it and you basically have a mid end workstation too.

              My fist handheld was the Gameboy Color so it just boggles my mind how far we’ve come.

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              • Y yesman@lemmy.world
                30 May 2025, 08:52

                If M$ was smart, they'd develop a version of Windows optimized for gaming. But they can't do that without implying that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

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                kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                wrote on 30 May 2025, 11:08 last edited by kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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                Eh.. No

                Without implying that desktop Windows wasn't made with hardware that has neither a keyboard or a mouse in mind? That it wasn't made to be used on a 7" screen? Sure.

                Only in the Linux fanatics minds does it implies that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

                It's not as if people are using the Steam Deck in desktop mode when they want to play games either and the experience on Steam OS in desktop mode if you don't connect at least a keyboard is pretty shit as well, so I guess that the fact that by default it boots in Steam mode must be a proof that Linux is inferior for games if we follow your logic.

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                  30 May 2025, 10:02

                  It's powerful, but the device isn't "great." It suffers from poor ASUS quality control and support. Let's also not forget the notorious overheating SD card slot because they thought it was a good idea to put it next to the exhaust. It's a poorly thought out design especially compared to the Steam Deck. Valve's effort is still the best on the market.

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                  kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                  wrote on 30 May 2025, 11:19 last edited by
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                  So nothing Windows related

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                  • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
                    30 May 2025, 10:43

                    I bought mine used with the SD card slot busted and I still think it’s great. Maybe because I didn’t pay 600 bucks for it!Definitely my favorite handheld ever.

                    I think the Steam Deck is pretty neat and I love the design of the device itself (I am not enthusiastic about the Ally’s L337G4mer aesthetics, and even less so with the monstrosity above), but for me not having access to Gamepass is a deal breaker so I’d never consider it. Maybe when I fully jump into PC gaming sometime soon I’ll switch my tune. But I digress. Other than the SD issue I’ve found that the ROG Ally is a very capable device and I have seen no other issues with it to be honest. The software it comes with is actually pretty good and makes it so that you don’t have to deal with Windows almost at all. The coolest thing is that you can dock it and you basically have a mid end workstation too.

                    My fist handheld was the Gameboy Color so it just boggles my mind how far we’ve come.

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                    wrote on 30 May 2025, 11:28 last edited by
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                    Right? Handheld PCs are incredible. They're the best thing about modern gaming, imo. I dock my steam deck to my TV with a wireless kb/m, and it's my main PC setup. It's the ultimate minimalist device for PC gamers.

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                    • Y yesman@lemmy.world
                      30 May 2025, 08:52

                      If M$ was smart, they'd develop a version of Windows optimized for gaming. But they can't do that without implying that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

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                      atrielienz@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 30 May 2025, 11:57 last edited by atrielienz@lemmy.world
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                      They already have the Xbox framework. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just use that for gaming and give the handheld the ability to launch a lightweight version of Windows similar to the easy way Steam OS will let you exit to Linux desktop.

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                        30 May 2025, 11:28

                        Right? Handheld PCs are incredible. They're the best thing about modern gaming, imo. I dock my steam deck to my TV with a wireless kb/m, and it's my main PC setup. It's the ultimate minimalist device for PC gamers.

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                        dremor@lemmy.world
                        wrote on 30 May 2025, 12:12 last edited by dremor@lemmy.world
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                        Honestly, and I say that as a 98% Deck player (according to last year Steam Recap), it is starting to lack horsepower.
                        I really hope the Deck 2 will allow for external GPUs when docked, because E33 really did put it on his knees 😅.
                        Even at "optimized" settings (which you cannot change on the Deck), I was at 20-30 FPS unless I enabled XeSS. And even then it looked like shit 😅.

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                        • D dremor@lemmy.world
                          30 May 2025, 12:12

                          Honestly, and I say that as a 98% Deck player (according to last year Steam Recap), it is starting to lack horsepower.
                          I really hope the Deck 2 will allow for external GPUs when docked, because E33 really did put it on his knees 😅.
                          Even at "optimized" settings (which you cannot change on the Deck), I was at 20-30 FPS unless I enabled XeSS. And even then it looked like shit 😅.

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                          plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
                          wrote on 30 May 2025, 13:04 last edited by
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                          That depends a lot on what you’re playing and what your expectations are. I use my Ally to play older games and indies and I feel like it’s great for that. AAA experiences I play on my Xbox Series X.

                          I have a friend who’s had every handheld and he says they all suck, but he’s expecting to play stuff like COD at high settings and 60fps. That’s just not realistic.

                          But again I’m coming from growing up with gameboys and Nintendo DS so I don’t have the expectations that someone who grew up in the HD generation might have.

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                            30 May 2025, 10:39

                            They're probably building off Windows RT (the locked down variant designed for ARM tablets).

                            If they were smart they'd imitate some of how SteamOS runs games in a modified WinRT environment - TLDR do NOT start up the entire Win32 runtime and desktop environment by default, don't run stuff like printer services and whatnot, just run a simplified sandbox and window manager with just the APIs needed to run the games similar to Proton. Then let the user switch to desktop mode as needed, but don't run it when gaming.

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                            katana314@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 30 May 2025, 13:11 last edited by
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                            I’m guessing this is basically how the Xbox works already.

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                            • M muskymelon@lemmy.world
                              30 May 2025, 05:43

                              It's their own fault they couldn't see a demand for handheld gaming.

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                              shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
                              wrote on 30 May 2025, 13:39 last edited by
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                              To be fair, every company was sure handhelds would die and mobile games would take over everything. Then the Switch happened.

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                              • K kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                                30 May 2025, 11:08

                                Eh.. No

                                Without implying that desktop Windows wasn't made with hardware that has neither a keyboard or a mouse in mind? That it wasn't made to be used on a 7" screen? Sure.

                                Only in the Linux fanatics minds does it implies that desktop Windows is inferior for games.

                                It's not as if people are using the Steam Deck in desktop mode when they want to play games either and the experience on Steam OS in desktop mode if you don't connect at least a keyboard is pretty shit as well, so I guess that the fact that by default it boots in Steam mode must be a proof that Linux is inferior for games if we follow your logic.

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                                yesman@lemmy.world
                                wrote on 30 May 2025, 14:01 last edited by
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                                Linux fanatics

                                I'd rather be a fanatic than a revenue stream with Stockholm syndrome.

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                                • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
                                  30 May 2025, 13:04

                                  That depends a lot on what you’re playing and what your expectations are. I use my Ally to play older games and indies and I feel like it’s great for that. AAA experiences I play on my Xbox Series X.

                                  I have a friend who’s had every handheld and he says they all suck, but he’s expecting to play stuff like COD at high settings and 60fps. That’s just not realistic.

                                  But again I’m coming from growing up with gameboys and Nintendo DS so I don’t have the expectations that someone who grew up in the HD generation might have.

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                                  dremor@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 30 May 2025, 14:22 last edited by dremor@lemmy.world
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                                  I'm a gameboy era dude, I don't have that high expectations from a portable console.
                                  To this day I managed to play to most AAA game I throwed at the Deck at an OK quality (low to medium) with good fps (40-45 fps).
                                  But E33 just didn't want to, and some area looked a lot different than on my 5 year old computer.
                                  The manor, as an example, looks washed out and overexposed, almost white and grey, while on the computer it looked oldish, but acceptable. And I was on low settings on the computer 😅. So either it is currently bugged, or there is an hidden "very low" setting specially made for the Deck.

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                                  • S shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
                                    30 May 2025, 13:39

                                    To be fair, every company was sure handhelds would die and mobile games would take over everything. Then the Switch happened.

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                                    muskymelon@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 30 May 2025, 14:53 last edited by
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                                    And how many years since the Switch? Even the Steam Deck was an open secret for years.

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                                    • Y yesman@lemmy.world
                                      30 May 2025, 14:01

                                      Linux fanatics

                                      I'd rather be a fanatic than a revenue stream with Stockholm syndrome.

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                                      kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                                      wrote on 30 May 2025, 15:33 last edited by
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                                      We're talking about people using a Steam Deck instead so people that are a revenue stream with Stockholm syndrome for yet another billionaire, just one that privately owns his company instead of it being publically traded.

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                                      • S shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
                                        30 May 2025, 13:39

                                        To be fair, every company was sure handhelds would die and mobile games would take over everything. Then the Switch happened.

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                                        samus12345@lemm.ee
                                        wrote on 30 May 2025, 16:36 last edited by
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                                        Much as I hate Nintendo now, their contribution to gaming can't be denied. First they revived it from the crash in 1983, then they showed that there's a market for a hybrid console/handheld device, paving the way for PC handhelds.

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                                        • S shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
                                          30 May 2025, 13:39

                                          To be fair, every company was sure handhelds would die and mobile games would take over everything. Then the Switch happened.

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                                          katana314@lemmy.world
                                          wrote on 30 May 2025, 16:43 last edited by
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                                          So far as I can think, wasn't the only handheld that failed the Playstation Vita? And that had very visible reasons for the failure - designing itself around an obtuse storage medium, and requiring first-party memory cards. Even with those drawbacks and with no first-party support, it had a tremendous following.

                                          It honestly could still be a worthwhile device to chain off of, since none of the current offerings fit in a pants pocket.

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