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  • R rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
    23 May 2025, 22:21

    “ Amazing that you think its okay for children to sign contracts where they agree that any money they give to Epic is gone forever, and that any worthless digital assets they are manipulated into purchasing can be voided and deleted at any time without any recompense!”

    At no point have I said anything that would lead to this conclusion.

    For the record Fortnite is rated “T” for teens because of the microtransactions.

    Your “inB4” is moronic. It IS parent’s job to do this. If they don’t have the energy then dont get them a system.

    You as an adult are responsible for the agreements you make. It is childish to pretend otherwise.

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    initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    wrote on 23 May 2025, 22:46 last edited by
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    You absolutely said everything that leads to this conclusion.

    People sign agreements with Fortnite that give Epic the right to sell them microtransactions that don't belong to the purchaser. They also give Epic the right to take down Fortnite and therefore remove access to any of the content that they paid for. This is the license that every player agrees to when they play the game.

    You claim that protesting the usage of that license is "throwing a tantrum."

    Lol I forgot that teens aren't children, apparently. That makes the microtransaction okay, because the players are (supposed to be) teenagers. As if teenagers aren't vulnerable to manipulation, or as if the ESRB actually does a goddamn thing anyway.

    Just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just have to defend the corporation's right to advertise to children, and blame everything on the parents. We already had this fight with cigarrettes, you know. People would say that it's the parents' fault if kids were attracted to cigarettes.

    How did that turn out? That's right. Nearly every developed country in the world agreed that advertising that shit to children was not okay. Full goddamn stop.

    "Oh but it's on the parents to make sure capitalism doesn't poison their childrens' bodies and minds through cartoon villain levels of social manipulation", you say.

    Corporations advertising harmful shit to children should not be tolerated under any circumstances, and functioning societies are entitled to make that a goddamn law, which they have done before, and can do again.

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    • I initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      23 May 2025, 22:46

      You absolutely said everything that leads to this conclusion.

      People sign agreements with Fortnite that give Epic the right to sell them microtransactions that don't belong to the purchaser. They also give Epic the right to take down Fortnite and therefore remove access to any of the content that they paid for. This is the license that every player agrees to when they play the game.

      You claim that protesting the usage of that license is "throwing a tantrum."

      Lol I forgot that teens aren't children, apparently. That makes the microtransaction okay, because the players are (supposed to be) teenagers. As if teenagers aren't vulnerable to manipulation, or as if the ESRB actually does a goddamn thing anyway.

      Just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just have to defend the corporation's right to advertise to children, and blame everything on the parents. We already had this fight with cigarrettes, you know. People would say that it's the parents' fault if kids were attracted to cigarettes.

      How did that turn out? That's right. Nearly every developed country in the world agreed that advertising that shit to children was not okay. Full goddamn stop.

      "Oh but it's on the parents to make sure capitalism doesn't poison their childrens' bodies and minds through cartoon villain levels of social manipulation", you say.

      Corporations advertising harmful shit to children should not be tolerated under any circumstances, and functioning societies are entitled to make that a goddamn law, which they have done before, and can do again.

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      rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
      wrote on 23 May 2025, 23:29 last edited by
      #13

      No I claim that agreeing to those conditions and then complaining when they do not alter those terms in ways you want them to is childish entitlement. Do you see the difference? If you have a problem with the license you do not agree to it and you do not play the game.

      The rest of your post is just more of the same whining about why you can't have things the way you want them when they are not being offered on your terms to begin with.

      Finally, you are complaining about video games. You should keep that in mind so you have better perspective on this.

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      • R rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
        23 May 2025, 23:29

        No I claim that agreeing to those conditions and then complaining when they do not alter those terms in ways you want them to is childish entitlement. Do you see the difference? If you have a problem with the license you do not agree to it and you do not play the game.

        The rest of your post is just more of the same whining about why you can't have things the way you want them when they are not being offered on your terms to begin with.

        Finally, you are complaining about video games. You should keep that in mind so you have better perspective on this.

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        initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        wrote on 24 May 2025, 00:17 last edited by initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        #14

        So... exactly what I said, then? You think Epic's licenses are okay, and it's entitlement to complain about them. I genuinely don't see the difference you're trying to describe.

        Lol but enjoy defending unethical business practices, I guess. Keep imagining that I've bought these licenses at all, and keep imagining that it's entitlement to want things to change for people's best interests.

        I hope the corporations thank you for defending their right to walk all over consumers. Manipulating children into gambling and renting worthless digital products is "just video games" after all. I'll try to keep that perspective in mind.

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        • I initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          24 May 2025, 00:17

          So... exactly what I said, then? You think Epic's licenses are okay, and it's entitlement to complain about them. I genuinely don't see the difference you're trying to describe.

          Lol but enjoy defending unethical business practices, I guess. Keep imagining that I've bought these licenses at all, and keep imagining that it's entitlement to want things to change for people's best interests.

          I hope the corporations thank you for defending their right to walk all over consumers. Manipulating children into gambling and renting worthless digital products is "just video games" after all. I'll try to keep that perspective in mind.

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          rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
          wrote on 24 May 2025, 09:55 last edited by
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          And I hope you grow up and learn how engage maturely one day.

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          • R rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
            23 May 2025, 16:14

            I dont think you do know how licenses work when your complaint amounts to ” I want this the way I want it not the way I agreed to it”.

            You either accept the game the way it us offered or you dont play the game. You are not entitled to get things the way you want them.

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            sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            wrote on 24 May 2025, 16:41 last edited by
            #16

            Right, and the way licenses work should be illegal. If I purchase something, I should be able to do whatever I want with it, for as long as I choose to. That's what purchase means.

            If I rent/subscribe to something, that only lasts for the duration of my contract.

            Sure, I'm not entitled to get things the way I want, but am entitled to get things the way they were advertised. If I buy a game, I should be able to play it even if the publisher shops selling it. They have options on how to handle that, either by releasing the server code so I can self-host it, removing the server bits so I can play offline, or continuing to keep servers online for existing owners.

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            • R randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              23 May 2025, 00:37

              Piracy is essentially a form of archivism. The digital age literally ended scarcity in digital media and these people were like "well that won't do".

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              zexks@lemmy.world
              wrote on 24 May 2025, 16:51 last edited by
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              You know you bring up a really great point. We've finally hit post-scarcity in an industry (information) and look at what it has done to us. Are we really ready for this in other areas yet. Should we use this as a chance to figure out how to integrate such a creation into society such that the next time this happens it doesn't kill us all.

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              • S sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                24 May 2025, 16:41

                Right, and the way licenses work should be illegal. If I purchase something, I should be able to do whatever I want with it, for as long as I choose to. That's what purchase means.

                If I rent/subscribe to something, that only lasts for the duration of my contract.

                Sure, I'm not entitled to get things the way I want, but am entitled to get things the way they were advertised. If I buy a game, I should be able to play it even if the publisher shops selling it. They have options on how to handle that, either by releasing the server code so I can self-host it, removing the server bits so I can play offline, or continuing to keep servers online for existing owners.

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                klear@lemmy.world
                wrote on 24 May 2025, 18:27 last edited by klear@lemmy.world
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                If I rent/subscribe to something, that only lasts for the duration of my contract.

                Just to reinforce your point, if you rent/subscribe to something, the duration should be known at the time. The fact that they can pull the plug at any time without a prior warning is what makes it a scam.

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                • I initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  24 May 2025, 00:17

                  So... exactly what I said, then? You think Epic's licenses are okay, and it's entitlement to complain about them. I genuinely don't see the difference you're trying to describe.

                  Lol but enjoy defending unethical business practices, I guess. Keep imagining that I've bought these licenses at all, and keep imagining that it's entitlement to want things to change for people's best interests.

                  I hope the corporations thank you for defending their right to walk all over consumers. Manipulating children into gambling and renting worthless digital products is "just video games" after all. I'll try to keep that perspective in mind.

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                  rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                  wrote on 24 May 2025, 21:16 last edited by
                  #19

                  Hard to hear when you are so angry huh.

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                  • R rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                    24 May 2025, 21:16

                    Hard to hear when you are so angry huh.

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                    initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    wrote on 24 May 2025, 21:34 last edited by
                    #20

                    Ohh, yes, my comments are just dripping with seething rage. I couldn't hear you over my blood boiling in my ears, sorry.

                    Want to explain what I missed?

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                    • I initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                      24 May 2025, 21:34

                      Ohh, yes, my comments are just dripping with seething rage. I couldn't hear you over my blood boiling in my ears, sorry.

                      Want to explain what I missed?

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                      rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                      wrote on 25 May 2025, 08:21 last edited by
                      #21

                      You sound mad now, too. I don't need to explain anything, go re-read the conversation. I can't make you see someone else's perspective, but I can mock you for being so obtuse.

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                      • R rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                        25 May 2025, 08:21

                        You sound mad now, too. I don't need to explain anything, go re-read the conversation. I can't make you see someone else's perspective, but I can mock you for being so obtuse.

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                        initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                        wrote on 25 May 2025, 14:16 last edited by
                        #22

                        Ahh, the pinnacle of internet discourse - pretending that one wins an argument by minor differences in tone, rather than content. Only... suggesting over and over that someone is throwing an entitled tantrum certainly sets a tone, don't it?

                        Strange, that I am the only emotional one here. Perhaps if you take a deep breath, and read my comments slower? Maybe ask a chatbot to read them in the voice of David Attenborough or Morgan Freeman?

                        Maybe you're right, and I've just gone deaf from all this blind rage. At this rate I'll never achieve my dreams of being acutie...

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                        • I initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                          25 May 2025, 14:16

                          Ahh, the pinnacle of internet discourse - pretending that one wins an argument by minor differences in tone, rather than content. Only... suggesting over and over that someone is throwing an entitled tantrum certainly sets a tone, don't it?

                          Strange, that I am the only emotional one here. Perhaps if you take a deep breath, and read my comments slower? Maybe ask a chatbot to read them in the voice of David Attenborough or Morgan Freeman?

                          Maybe you're right, and I've just gone deaf from all this blind rage. At this rate I'll never achieve my dreams of being acutie...

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                          rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                          wrote on 25 May 2025, 15:24 last edited by
                          #23

                          Youll always be acutie on my mind.

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