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The emulator that lets you play NES games in 3D has left early access on Steam

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  • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
    15 days ago

    Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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    blametheantifa@lemmy.world
    wrote 15 days ago last edited by
    #31

    Exhibit number 4,923,768 for why patents should not exist and need to be aggressively banished from civilization.

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    • P plasticexistence@lemmy.world
      15 days ago

      The law is all about those technicalities.

      I don’t agree with any of that noise around the DMCA for the record. I feel like we effectively lost our right to archival copies.

      On a PC, what you said about copying the DRM along with the data is largely true. It is possible sometimes to copy the DRM and reproduce the image with the DRM intact. It also might not be depending upon the copy protection mechanism. Commercial video DVDs used to employ tricks with the storage sector that made it almost impossible to properly copy by a standard computer disc drive. You could get around this with additional program like AnyDVD, but that was only available for sale outside the USA because of the fact that it allowed you to bypass DRM.

      And like you said, the content can be encrypted. Decrypting it is, IIRC, considered bypassing DRM - at least in the USA.

      Again, I don’t agree that this is how things should be, but the legality of emulation is complicated depending upon what we’re talking about emulating.

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      mycodesucks@lemmy.world
      wrote 14 days ago last edited by
      #32

      I also don't like how things are legally speaking with DMCA, but the main takeaway is - the creation and distribution of an emulator, without DRM protections, is unequivocally protected and legal. ROM backup is certainly in most cases not, but if you are making your own copies for your own use, even while illegally breaking encryption, it would be difficult to prove and prosecute on an individual basis.

      The right we must continually remind people is NOT even REMOTELY in question is the right to create and distribute emulators. This is by far the more important one, because people cannot reasonably develop their own emulators - it requires an open, collaborative community to ensure future preservation, and it's a constant battle to keep people from actively trying to cede this right because they have nebulous loyalties to soulless companies that return no such feelings.

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      • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
        15 days ago

        yeah, i know. Point is that Nintendo can do whatever they want with the flimsyest excuse.

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        pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        wrote 14 days ago last edited by
        #33

        Exactly. They can file a lawsuit even knowing they might not win just to burden someone into crippling debt if they want to defend themselves

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        • P plasticexistence@lemmy.world
          15 days ago

          https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

          In the USA, it is illegal to make a backup copy of any of your media when the original contains any form of DRM.

          On any media where DRM wasn’t used, you’re okay to create a backup copy.

          The law is different everywhere though.

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          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          wrote 14 days ago last edited by
          #34

          Bleem would like a word...

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          • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            14 days ago

            Bleem would like a word...

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            plasticexistence@lemmy.world
            wrote 14 days ago last edited by
            #35

            The Bleem case is a separate issue from creating a backup copy protected by DRM

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            • P plasticexistence@lemmy.world
              15 days ago

              I would be interested in that case if you find it. I spend a lot of time thinking about emulation and the surrounding stuff.

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              jeffool@lemmy.world
              wrote 14 days ago last edited by
              #36

              I get you! I was bigger into copyright some 20-30 years ago myself when we would've all been on Slashdot.

              To that end, I was WRONG in my post, I think I was conflating two things, and for that, I'm sorry. I was certainly thinking in part about Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley (2001). That was the case that decided that the software DeCSS was illegal, and you could distribute the software. I was thinking that while the court did agree with Universal over the software, that it did not find that breaking DRM on a product you owned was inherently illegal. (I legit think this was a "take" at the time. Probably wouldn't hold up in court these days, sadly.) And I did find that years later the Library of Congress offered exemptions for breaking DRM on some hardware (vehicles, medical devices,) but I believe even those were temporary and have since lapsed.

              Sorry I spoke so surely about something I was wrong about.

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              • S simple@piefed.social
                15 days ago

                The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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                callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                wrote 14 days ago last edited by callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                #37

                I saw there’s a VR mode and couldn’t throw $15 at this fast enough. This looks phenomenal! So cool.

                Thanks for posting this. Had no idea it existed.

                You can play Duck Hunt with a VR Zapper. Worth $15 there alone. I'm a simple man.

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                • J jeffool@lemmy.world
                  14 days ago

                  I get you! I was bigger into copyright some 20-30 years ago myself when we would've all been on Slashdot.

                  To that end, I was WRONG in my post, I think I was conflating two things, and for that, I'm sorry. I was certainly thinking in part about Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley (2001). That was the case that decided that the software DeCSS was illegal, and you could distribute the software. I was thinking that while the court did agree with Universal over the software, that it did not find that breaking DRM on a product you owned was inherently illegal. (I legit think this was a "take" at the time. Probably wouldn't hold up in court these days, sadly.) And I did find that years later the Library of Congress offered exemptions for breaking DRM on some hardware (vehicles, medical devices,) but I believe even those were temporary and have since lapsed.

                  Sorry I spoke so surely about something I was wrong about.

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                  plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                  wrote 14 days ago last edited by
                  #38

                  You’re okay by me!

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                  • C callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                    14 days ago

                    I saw there’s a VR mode and couldn’t throw $15 at this fast enough. This looks phenomenal! So cool.

                    Thanks for posting this. Had no idea it existed.

                    You can play Duck Hunt with a VR Zapper. Worth $15 there alone. I'm a simple man.

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                    turmacar@lemmy.world
                    wrote 14 days ago last edited by
                    #39

                    Duck Season is pretty fun too FWIW.

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                    • U underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works
                      15 days ago

                      Zelda 1 seems an odd omission from the supported games. I wonder if some games are harder to implement than others or something.

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                      callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                      wrote 13 days ago last edited by callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                      #40

                      Zelda is there! Remember it’s under “Legend of Zelda.” It looks friggin' rad in VR 3D. I'm definitely playing through this whole game like this.

                      The weird one for me is that Super Mario Bros 2 is missing.

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                      • C callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                        13 days ago

                        Zelda is there! Remember it’s under “Legend of Zelda.” It looks friggin' rad in VR 3D. I'm definitely playing through this whole game like this.

                        The weird one for me is that Super Mario Bros 2 is missing.

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                        underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works
                        wrote 13 days ago last edited by
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                        I thought I saw in very recent patch notes that there was a community-made version of SM2?

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                        • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                          15 days ago

                          I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                          I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                          Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                          wolflink@sh.itjust.works
                          wrote 13 days ago last edited by
                          #42

                          They were able to prevent Dolphin’s release on Steam

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                          • U underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works
                            13 days ago

                            I thought I saw in very recent patch notes that there was a community-made version of SM2?

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                            callatecoyote@lemmy.world
                            wrote 13 days ago last edited by
                            #43

                            Ah, I haven’t even started investigating community made content yet. Neat!

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