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[AMA] We're Framasoft, we develop PeerTube, ask us anything!

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  • liaizon@social.wake.stL [email protected]

    @Framasoft would be really nice to work more on compatibility with other fediverse software. There have been a lot of quirks with how comments on peertube render across fediverse platforms, like the way your @mentions don't render as links when the posts feterate out to many other places etc. What can we do to iron out these type of issues other then just filing bug reports?

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    We're not aware of this federation issue. So yes, please, describe the problem at https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues and we'll look into it!

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    • blaze@piefed.socialB [email protected]

      Thank you for doing this!

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      Thanks for being there!

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      • B [email protected]

        Thank you for your work.

        As far as I understand it one of the big advantages is that every viewer simultaneously provides its download data for others to stream (peering). With this approach server capacity can be reduced but I wonder how well this works (If I even understood it correctly).

        With this system could it be possible to host videos on an own server without having to pay huge sever costs?

        Also what is a nice website to search through all videos, similar to the front page of YouTube?

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        The P2P system in PeerTube works very well if you have many concurrent viewers. You can have more information in our blogpost that details a P2P stress test: https://joinpeertube.org/news/stress-test-2023
        But if most of the time you don't have many concurrent viewers, you'll still have to pay the bandwidth. But as you can see in the blog post above, PeerTube is not very expensive to host (if you don't have to store many videos).

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        • B [email protected]

          Hi!
          Thank you for all your work 🙂

          I'm wondering if 30 seconds is a reasonable latency for live streaming on a raspberry pi 5 instance ?

          And if I want to store the videos on another drive, is it so simple as just changing the path for "/var/www/peertube/storage" in the production.yaml file ?

          Finally, is it possible to connect to the live session chat with another fediverse instance (mastodon or lemmy) ?

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          Yes it is if you don't use muxing (disable transcoding) because we don't think the Raspberry CPU will be able to handle it.
          Yes, you can use another drive with PeerTube. It just doesn't support a remote drive (network mounted point for example).
          No, you can't connect to the live chat using Masotdon or Lemmy, but you can using another PeerTube instance or using a XMPP client.

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          • octaviameowzly@lemmy.blahaj.zoneO [email protected]

            Will you guys add þe ability to login to an instance þat isn’t provided in þe app already into þe ios app?

            Est-ce que vous allez ajouter la possibilité de se connecter à une instance qui n'est pas fournie dans l'application déjà dans l'application ios?

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            Yes, we are looking into allowing users to add their platforms manually (as you can already do on Android). We just don't have an ETA yet!

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            • iso@lemy.lolI [email protected]

              IIRC WebTorrent support is removed. Is torrenting completely off the table?

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              We have replaced WebTorrent in the PeerTube player with https://github.com/novage/p2p-media-loader, which supports live streams. Torrents are not completely off the table, as they are still generated on the server. Users can download and use these in their preferred torrent client.

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              • charger8232@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                Will the official PeerTube app for Android ever adopt Kotlin, Jetpack Compose, and Material 3 Expressive?

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                No, because the PeerTube app uses Flutter: https://framagit.org/framasoft/peertube/mobile-application

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                • ? Guest

                  Hi!

                  Thanks for your questions!

                  We didn't start big. Framasoft exists since 21 years with a team full of volunteers.
                  However, there are essential steps we reached during our journey.
                  First, we launched the de-google-ify campaign, aiming to help people to escape from Big Tech. This campaign happened only two years after Snowden's revelations and we think it played a big role in its success in France.
                  Quickly, we had enough money to hire new employees.
                  So, we had the ability to hire our sysadmin at full time. That helped us a lot to maintain a good service quality so people knew they could trust us with their data and use our services.
                  Finally, we hired someone dedicated to our communication. He did a huge work and helped us to find our identity: you know, all those cute mascots you can find on most of our communications.
                  We wanted FLOSS softwares to be attractive for most people and this new identity helped us a lot to reach a wider audience (not only tech-savvy people!).

                  Also, we work hard each year to build funding campaigns. They are helping us a lot to collect the money we need to work but require at least 1 month of work from different people of our team.

                  Concerning tips and strategis to other FLOSS devs... It's kinda hard since we think the context we had is different from now. BUT, we truly think that being respectful to people using our services and transparent about our failures helped people to understand we are just a small team of humans trying to do their best!

                  I hope this answer helped you!

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                  Sure, it does look like you were at the right place at the right time indeed and then could continue from there. Having a dedicated communications person is also in my impression very important, but alas they're not as easy to find for FOSS projects.

                  Could you be able to elaborate what kind of wages you pay your staff? Are they market competitive, or below market rates for the same roles?

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                  • abnormalhumanbeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.spaceA [email protected]

                    Oh, and, of course a very important second question from me: What are your favourite dinosaurs?

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                    Spinosaurus aegyptiacus for sure!

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                      Yes it is if you don't use muxing (disable transcoding) because we don't think the Raspberry CPU will be able to handle it.
                      Yes, you can use another drive with PeerTube. It just doesn't support a remote drive (network mounted point for example).
                      No, you can't connect to the live chat using Masotdon or Lemmy, but you can using another PeerTube instance or using a XMPP client.

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                      Thank you !

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                      • ludrol@szmer.infoL [email protected]

                        Thanks for your work. I have two questions:

                        1. Will the set-up wizzard include federation settings? (Federate by default or defederate by default)?

                        2. What are current plans for FramaDate? That was the only usable project for scheduling TTRPG sessions that I have found, but it has a bunch of issues on mobile.

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                        Hi!

                        1. The wizard is still not designed, but yes we think it will include federation settings so it's easier for institutions or private instances to setup a "safe" PeerTube instance.

                        2. We're actually evaluating alternative softwares for Framadate, with mobile support as a required feature. We'll tell more about it once we're ready!

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                        • someplaceunknown@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                          Will the peertube app get tablet support soon?

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                          Hi!

                          We want to work on it ASAP but we can't give you an ETA for now.
                          You can know more about our roadmap concerning PeerTube in the blog post we published last month!

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                          • ? Guest

                            Spinosaurus aegyptiacus for sure!

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                            Great dino choice from great devs!

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                            • L [email protected]

                              Thank you!
                              Would you ever consider employing developers elsewhere in EU to work on the apps & services?

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                              Hi!

                              We're actually considering hiring a new full-stack developer in the future (to work on all of our services, not on PeerTube) and that would be possible for us to hire someone leaving in another country if:

                              • the person accepts a French salary-level
                              • the person speaks French (a big part of our team does not speak English)

                              Keep watching our posts on our social media, so you won't miss the announce!---

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                              • abnormalhumanbeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.spaceA [email protected]

                                As I'm German (from near the French border, even, but unfortunately, not speaking even just basic French), and Germany is also relatively big on the Fediverse and the open source/hacker communities, I've often wondered, if there are (official) cooperations between German and French activists. Does Framasoft (or individual members of it) participate in anything like that?

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                                I don't think we have been. Thing is, we do not know of many organizations that are identical to us in other countries: we're not really a Linux or FLOSS group, and we don't lobby governments or other institutions. In some ways, we're similar to Disroot which also offers services as we do, but since we do quite a lot of other stuff (developing PeerTube, producing commons, sharing knowledge, and we even have a publishing house!)

                                Even if we have been working with a lot of partners, most of them are French and on very specific topics.

                                If people want to join forces on the FLOSS-software-hosting services topic, maybe look into something similar to the (very french) CHATONS (and possibly https://libreho.st/, but it's no longer active to our knowledge).

                                On the topic of contributing to develop things together, we're not doing much apart from PeerTube (we only have two developers, and both are working nearly fully on PeerTube).

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                                • E [email protected]

                                  Collab with arte would be great?

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                                  I believe they have their own player already, so unsure what would be their direct interest, but the PeerTube ecosystem could be useful to them anyway. For instance there's a big French institution that uses PeerTube runner for their video transcription tasks (and paid for specific features), but doesn't use the PeerTube server or player at all.

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                                    I don't think we have been. Thing is, we do not know of many organizations that are identical to us in other countries: we're not really a Linux or FLOSS group, and we don't lobby governments or other institutions. In some ways, we're similar to Disroot which also offers services as we do, but since we do quite a lot of other stuff (developing PeerTube, producing commons, sharing knowledge, and we even have a publishing house!)

                                    Even if we have been working with a lot of partners, most of them are French and on very specific topics.

                                    If people want to join forces on the FLOSS-software-hosting services topic, maybe look into something similar to the (very french) CHATONS (and possibly https://libreho.st/, but it's no longer active to our knowledge).

                                    On the topic of contributing to develop things together, we're not doing much apart from PeerTube (we only have two developers, and both are working nearly fully on PeerTube).

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                                    Thank you for the answer, that makes a lot of sense. I think the very unique structure and goals you have developed have served you well, since PeerTube might be one of the best fleshed-out projects in the Fediverse space, at least in my opinion.

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                                      I don't think we have been. Thing is, we do not know of many organizations that are identical to us in other countries: we're not really a Linux or FLOSS group, and we don't lobby governments or other institutions. In some ways, we're similar to Disroot which also offers services as we do, but since we do quite a lot of other stuff (developing PeerTube, producing commons, sharing knowledge, and we even have a publishing house!)

                                      Even if we have been working with a lot of partners, most of them are French and on very specific topics.

                                      If people want to join forces on the FLOSS-software-hosting services topic, maybe look into something similar to the (very french) CHATONS (and possibly https://libreho.st/, but it's no longer active to our knowledge).

                                      On the topic of contributing to develop things together, we're not doing much apart from PeerTube (we only have two developers, and both are working nearly fully on PeerTube).

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                                      hi from the Mastodon team, we'd love to work more closely with you in the future on Fediverse and freedom related topics 🙂
                                      also, I am personally a big fan of PeerTube, and think the work you do is fantastic! 🐙

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                                      • asudox@lemmy.asudox.devA [email protected]

                                        Thank you for your amazing works.

                                        Are you planning on implementing a privacy friendly recommendation algorithm? It would ideally run locally on the client's device.

                                        edit: Oh and, if you haven't seen it yet, please see the PM I sent you.

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                                        We did not plan such a thing for now, but we know some people have been working on this, see for instance :
                                        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/peertube-picks/
                                        https://github.com/solidheron/peertube_recomendation_algorythm/

                                        If you have details on how it would work in your idea, feel free to share thoughts on https://ideas.joinpeertube.org/ if it's not already done.

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                                        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                                          Sure, it does look like you were at the right place at the right time indeed and then could continue from there. Having a dedicated communications person is also in my impression very important, but alas they're not as easy to find for FOSS projects.

                                          Could you be able to elaborate what kind of wages you pay your staff? Are they market competitive, or below market rates for the same roles?

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                                          Yeah, we think we worked hard but we still had a bit of luck

                                          We really think communication is important too. However, to be precise, even our colleague which joined us to start working on it was not an expert of the field. He was just a volunteer interested to work on our communication and started to do so. Some years later, we're able to hire him so he could be truly dedicated to this mission!

                                          We thinks it's better to hire someone being able to work with others and passionate about digital issues than an expert in a specific field. Technical skills can be acquired but human skills are harder to get!

                                          Concerning how we pay our staff: we pay a lot more than most non-profit organizations in France, but it's less than what our employees could expect regarding their skills on the competitive market.
                                          Though, we think money is not the only reason why our talents stay with us: we also provide really good work conditions (We try to respect each one rythm and needs, either it's material or something like following a training). Finally, all of our employees find a meaning in our mission (raising awareness about digital issues, providing alternative and respectful services to organizations and people, etc).

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