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  • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

    Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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    Huh, I wasn't expecting a comic critical of Russia's Ukraine invasion in this comm.

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    • melodiousfunk@slrpnk.netM [email protected]

      Huh, I wasn't expecting a comic critical of Russia's Ukraine invasion in this comm.

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      What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.

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      • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

        Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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        This is loss, right

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        • melodiousfunk@slrpnk.netM [email protected]

          Huh, I wasn't expecting a comic critical of Russia's Ukraine invasion in this comm.

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          I was pretty sure it was the Gaza situation.

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            What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.

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            It wasn't just Russians that lived in Donbass.

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            • T [email protected]

              It wasn't just Russians that lived in Donbass.

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              It's Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

              There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
              a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
              and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
              but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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              • M [email protected]

                What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.

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                Vatnik detected

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                  It wasn't just Russians that lived in Donbass.

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                  But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

                  But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

                  A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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                    It's Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

                    There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
                    a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
                    and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
                    but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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                    Ah yes, they are just "confused Russians" who speak a different language because of the ebul West.

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                      Ah yes, they are just "confused Russians" who speak a different language because of the ebul West.

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                      No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
                      The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
                      Plus "The West" is too vague a term to take seriously.

                      If you're from the US, you're soon going to be familiar with such 'fascist split-off "nation"' like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
                      There won't be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they're the true USA and later claim that they've never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.

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                        No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
                        The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
                        Plus "The West" is too vague a term to take seriously.

                        If you're from the US, you're soon going to be familiar with such 'fascist split-off "nation"' like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
                        There won't be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they're the true USA and later claim that they've never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.

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                        Yeah, the famous communist hating "Russians" deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.

                        Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.

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                          Yeah, the famous communist hating "Russians" deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.

                          Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.

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                          Dialects have names. Go back further and you'll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

                          Again, if you live in the US, you'll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            Dialects have names. Go back further and you'll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

                            Again, if you live in the US, you'll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.

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                            Lol, the differences between Ukrainian and Russian began in the 13th century, when old Ukrainian shifted /g/ to /Ι£/ and then to modern day /Ι¦/.
                            By that logic, Germany should swallow the Netherlands because clearly Dutch and German have the same origins and are just dialects. Hell, if you go back to the 11th century, i.e. the Kievan Rus, a bunch of now distinct languages were much closer to each other.

                            Ukrainian has a lot more German, Polish and Tartar loanwords than Russian. Southwestern Dialects of Ukrainian are closer to Polish than to Russian. Ukrainian has an 38% difference in Vocabulary to Russian, which is roughly the difference between Italian and Spanish.
                            Ukrainian also preserved it's vocative case, which has disappeared from Russian. It possesses 3 different future tenses, opposed to 2 in Russian. These are two different languages

                            Soviet promotion of the Ukrainian language was not an "appeasement of fascist russians", it was a reversal of Tsarist oppression. Just up until the 1930s, when the USSR again made a 180 turn on their language policies throughout its territory.

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                            • F [email protected]

                              Dialects have names. Go back further and you'll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

                              Again, if you live in the US, you'll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.

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                              Calling another language a "dialect" is really lame if I'm being honest. The Ukrainian and Belarusian languages descended from Rutherian, which split from Russian hundreds of years ago. After centuries of Ukraine being occupied by one foreign power after another the history is all over the place but long story short Ukrainian is as much a dialect of Russian as English is a dialect of Latin.

                              And as for the Ukrainian identity not being real ... if it wasn't real then Russia wouldn't be trying to erase it. Ukraine has only been part of Russia for 80 out of the last 800 years. I should not bother arguing with you, I don't know why I even bother. I'm gonna block you like I do every tankie.

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                              • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                                But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

                                But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

                                A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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                                It's a complicated issue to solve, and I'm not the person to solve it but the Russian state's approach has basically been in every single way wrong.

                                The Russian ethnic minority and it's treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.

                                I'm now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia's actions is not worthy of my attention.

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                                • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                                  But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

                                  But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

                                  A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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                                  Historically the acceptable answer if you want to live in a different country would be to, you know, move to that country, instead of trying to move that country to you through war.

                                  Btw, the Donbas is not a historically majority Russian region. It was subject to russification starting under tsarist Russia and intensified under the Soviets. But it was majority Ukrainian, home to the Ukrainian cossacks and major settlements were also deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    Dialects have names. Go back further and you'll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

                                    Again, if you live in the US, you'll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.

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                                    The only historical revisionist here is you.

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                                    • chairmanmeow@programming.devC [email protected]

                                      Historically the acceptable answer if you want to live in a different country would be to, you know, move to that country, instead of trying to move that country to you through war.

                                      Btw, the Donbas is not a historically majority Russian region. It was subject to russification starting under tsarist Russia and intensified under the Soviets. But it was majority Ukrainian, home to the Ukrainian cossacks and major settlements were also deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy.

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                                      This is completely false. It was seat of Crimean Khanate, vassal of Ottoman Empire, which was also hostile to Poland, Russia AND cossacks. And "deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy" was mostly looting, kidnapping, raping and murdering Ruthenian peasants (ancestors of both Ukrainians and local Russians) as part of one of biggest historical slave trades which Russia ended when it conquered that blight of humanity Khanate was.

                                      Your post is deeply ahistorical, disgusting and borders on slavery apologia, and you should be ashamed.

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                                      • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                        Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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                                        That's a weird looking pen.

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                                          It's a complicated issue to solve, and I'm not the person to solve it but the Russian state's approach has basically been in every single way wrong.

                                          The Russian ethnic minority and it's treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.

                                          I'm now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia's actions is not worthy of my attention.

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                                          It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it

                                          Im now gonna block you... anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.

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