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"I live here now"

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  • P [email protected]

    Well wasn't the excuse that the Jews had that land originally then over the history of time there were land disputes. I forget the whole history of it but that's a bit I remember.

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    Go look up why DNA tests are banned in Israel

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    • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

      That's rough. Watch out for the retaliatory strikes provoked by your expansionist apartheid regime.

      There's probably a country out there that would accept you as a refugee, if you ever get tired of living on the front lines.

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      Some people are really no fun

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      • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

        I wonder if you'd apply the same standard in reverse. If a Chinese ambassador says something about the US, should I just take them at their word with no further evidence, until someone can prove that their claim is wrong?

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        If said Chinese ambassador wrote a book that was also sourced (like this British ambassador's book is in a fair few places), their claims aren't disputed by any factual evidence and is generally corroborated by historians, I'd be inclined to believe them yes.

        I wouldn't expect said ambassador to have a scientific study backing up every single sentence in the book. If he's writing about his experiences, that can be a valuable perspective on things. I wouldn't treat it as gospel necessarily but I can still apply critical thinking to ascertain whether or not they're a credible source.

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        • melodiousfunk@slrpnk.netM [email protected]

          Huh, I wasn't expecting a comic critical of Russia's Ukraine invasion in this comm.

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          In your fantasy's world it might be. Irl, not at all.

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          • chairmanmeow@programming.devC [email protected]

            I trust someone who was actually there more than a random user on the internet, yes. If you have a source that shows the opposite, feel free to share.

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            You're not going to find many books to the effect of, "see how hegemonic we aren't", so you mainly need to look at how the ussr treated republics within it, and especially preserved national minorities.

            The USSR academy of sciences published works in many languages, same for the state publishing houses.

            There are also some longer works on the languages of the USSR, because there was such a diversity of them and the constitution mandated their protection, but I haven't read them.

            Compare with the US (wiped out every indigenous language), or the UK (tried to do the same for Irish and Welsh). It's always projection with these anticommunist westerner historians.

            You can see the diversity here
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union

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            • dessalines@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

              You're not going to find many books to the effect of, "see how hegemonic we aren't", so you mainly need to look at how the ussr treated republics within it, and especially preserved national minorities.

              The USSR academy of sciences published works in many languages, same for the state publishing houses.

              There are also some longer works on the languages of the USSR, because there was such a diversity of them and the constitution mandated their protection, but I haven't read them.

              Compare with the US (wiped out every indigenous language), or the UK (tried to do the same for Irish and Welsh). It's always projection with these anticommunist westerner historians.

              You can see the diversity here
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union

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              @dessalines @ChairmanMeow Why won't those ungrateful Ukrainians just surrender to Putin's kindly embrace?

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              • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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                ITT: Terminally online Western .ml users being simperialist white knights again for their own favourite oligarchy.

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                • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                  Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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                  What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?

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                  • S [email protected]

                    Exactly, the Nazis in the Ukrainian government are sending Ukranians into meat grinders for the profits of the U.S. empire

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                    #82

                    Aaaaand there it is.

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                    • D [email protected]

                      What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?

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                      The status quo is that Palestinians have no rights (legal, human, you name it), while the Israeli state protects the Israeli citizens. They don't get to vote, they don't get to travel, and they don't even get to keep their homes and lives in the face of the Gaza genocide and state-sponsored settler-colonialism.

                      Now, there is no reason that liberation for Palestinians must mean some sort of displacement or genocide for Israelis. The very fact that Zionists want you to believe that liberation is a zero-sum game is very telling.

                      One option would be a secular state that represents both Israelis and Palestinians, with appropriate measures to protect whichever ethnic group may be in the minority.

                      Another would be a recognized, democratic Palestinian state alongside Israel, in the borders of 1949 (or perhaps 1967), with a robust right to return. The illegal settler occupations erected since then would obviously need to be removed.

                      There are, of course, other avenues, some more utopic than others (as an anarchist, I favor a no state solution but I am pragmatic enough to recognize that this is wishful thinking for the near-future). But none of them, at least the serious ones, include dispelling all Israelis.

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                      • H [email protected]

                        It's the pen that writes history

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                        Political power flows from it

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                        • dessalines@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                          You're not going to find many books to the effect of, "see how hegemonic we aren't", so you mainly need to look at how the ussr treated republics within it, and especially preserved national minorities.

                          The USSR academy of sciences published works in many languages, same for the state publishing houses.

                          There are also some longer works on the languages of the USSR, because there was such a diversity of them and the constitution mandated their protection, but I haven't read them.

                          Compare with the US (wiped out every indigenous language), or the UK (tried to do the same for Irish and Welsh). It's always projection with these anticommunist westerner historians.

                          You can see the diversity here
                          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union

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                          Perhaps also read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification then, which is linked on that page. It explains how the Soviets:

                          • Forced other languages to use cyrillic if they didn't before, aligning the spelling of words with Russian
                          • Made Russian a mandatory subject in schools
                          • In mostly urban areas made sure education was primarily provided in Russian
                          • Made indigenous people learn Russian, but Russian immigrants to those areas did not learn the indigenous language there

                          These were all policies aimed at "unifying" the various cultures in the Soviet Union and strengthening control.

                          Early Soviet Union is as you described, promoting various cultures and languages. Lenin saw that as a way to gain favour with the local populations. Later leaders however went down a different path.

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                          • D [email protected]

                            What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?

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                            What happened to white settlers in South Africa? To this day they still hold most of the good lands and are richer.

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                            • D [email protected]

                              What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?

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                              there is no land back. people want a state with equal rights; that's it. i love how this is always a "concern": hey i know we genocided you, but what if you retaliate? we can't have that so the genocide most continue.

                              in reality we've seen what happens: what happened to the white south africans in south africa? what happened to the slave owners in the united states after emancipation? what happened to them after natives got some of their land and autonomy back?

                              nothing. prosperity, even. but at this point i don't give a shit if it's not nothing. israelis proved time and again—yes the population too, not just the government—that they're genocidal maniacs.

                              this is exactly the same as being concerned with what would happen to the nazis if germany gave rights back to the jews. imagine asking "what if the jews strike back? no the camps must stay".

                              just as it was right back then to emancipate the jewish people and other minorities no matter what would happen afterwards, so it is for palestinians now. luckily for the rapists and murderers of the world, the oppressed never turn out to be so genocidal once freed.

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                              • S [email protected]

                                This is loss, right

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                                it's los

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                                • G [email protected]

                                  I was pretty sure it was the Gaza situation.

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                                  ¿Porque no los dos?

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                                  • T [email protected]

                                    ITT: Terminally online Western .ml users being simperialist white knights again for their own favourite oligarchy.

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                                    Found the salty Zionist

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                                    • F [email protected]

                                      It's Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

                                      There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
                                      a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
                                      and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
                                      but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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                                      In Ukraine in general, ~68% speak Ukranian natively, ~17% are native Ukranian/Russian bilingual, ~14% are native Russian speakers.

                                      In the Donbas, ~27% Ukrainian native speakers, ~29% bilinguals, ~42% Russian native speakers.

                                      Going by nationality:

                                      ~73% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Ukranian.

                                      ~18% of Ukranian nationals are bilingual natives.

                                      ~9% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Russian.

                                      ~4% of Russian nationals natively speak Ukranian.

                                      ~14% of Russian nationals are bilingual.

                                      ~81% of Russian nationals natively speak Russian.

                                      All these numbers are from 2017.

                                      ...

                                      I think it is safe to say that there are in fact many Ukranians in Ukraine, even many Ukranians in Donbas, at least prior to 2022... due to, you know, the ethnic cleansing undertaken by an occupying foreign national army.

                                      My napkin math on those numbers works out to 53% Russian nationals vs 46% Ukranian nationals in Donbas in 2017.

                                      Using a 53% Russian vs 46% Ukranian proportion to justify mass military force against the Ukranian population in Donbas is roughly the same logic that would conclude it is morally correct to invade Los Angeles and deport everyone who isn't fluent in English, which has similar proportions between English and Spanish.

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                                      • jhavok@mstdn.partyJ [email protected]

                                        @dessalines @ChairmanMeow Why won't those ungrateful Ukrainians just surrender to Putin's kindly embrace?

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                                        Surrender? The people of donbass already voted to secede before the raf got involved directly. They don't want to be a part of Ukraine.

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                                        • G [email protected]

                                          Hey let's switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don't like the president of the United States, does that mean it's perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?

                                          A downvote is not an answer btw.

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                                          Yes, and no it is not weird

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