Dave2D - Windows Was The Problem All Along (Lenovo Legion Go Windows 11 vs. SteamOS)
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I hope so too, but I don't think a shift that big is coming any time soon.
Linux users are still a tiny proportion of the online player base. Steam Deck sales are negligible compared to Switch or console sales.
I hope it happens eventually,but I think it's going to take much longer for AAA gaming corps to take Linux seriously.
I know the whole “Year of Linux” is a worn-out meme by now; but things are a joke, until their not - best case in point would be AMD CPUs pre-Ryzen compared to now.
Steam Deck sales may not compare favourably to Switch / Console sales - it’s hard to say as Valve are privately owned and under no obligation to publish numbers. But all of a sudden, we can add a not insignificant portion of Windows handheld users to the mix (not 100%, but not 0% either).
Microsoft clearly sees this as an emerging risk, which is why they’re partnering to create an Xbox-branded handheld.
In terms of online representation - it’s also a case of chicken and egg. Online games don’t support Linux due to anti-cheat implementations, so online gamers don’t use Linux. Plenty of single-player offline experiences exist for us!
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I know the whole “Year of Linux” is a worn-out meme by now; but things are a joke, until their not - best case in point would be AMD CPUs pre-Ryzen compared to now.
Steam Deck sales may not compare favourably to Switch / Console sales - it’s hard to say as Valve are privately owned and under no obligation to publish numbers. But all of a sudden, we can add a not insignificant portion of Windows handheld users to the mix (not 100%, but not 0% either).
Microsoft clearly sees this as an emerging risk, which is why they’re partnering to create an Xbox-branded handheld.
In terms of online representation - it’s also a case of chicken and egg. Online games don’t support Linux due to anti-cheat implementations, so online gamers don’t use Linux. Plenty of single-player offline experiences exist for us!
Agree with all that. "The year of Linux" will be built up to incrementally; and the fact that gaming is so good on Linux pushes that a long way.
The Steam Deck is what pushed me to change to full-time PC Linux myself. Having hardware with pre-installed Linux that works flawlessly has been great.
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Every laptop I've bought has come with Windows including gaming ones. Up to really powerful computers. Like having a 4080 in it or down to just integrated. I could be doing nothing and you'll hear the fan spin up hard on Windows.
On hardware with just integrated graphics, Windows just sucks compared to Linux. Fan spins up but you'll still get animation hitches as Windows background services are doing something. Switch to Linux and resource usage just matches up really well with what you know you've installed and set to run. Just whatever is popular: Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Pop_OS, etc compared to consumer Windows editions.
Plus it's nice installing an OS and not having to go through pages of telemetry opt-outs, encouragement to buy O365, OneDrive, Copilot+, Gamepass, create online MS account, etc. Windows went from a relatively neutral marketplace, besides the bundled software, to a platform for marketing MS and other companies subscription services
Neutral base of fairly standardized open source Linux operating systems is going to show itself overtime as preferable as these controlled platforms get monetized harder. Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android are all in varying stages of being subscription and marketing data farms
BuT cAn iT rUn CoD/DeStiNy 2?
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Yeah you're right, I had mostly been looking at the difference between the steam deck and legion Go S on that chart and barely even noticed the difference between windows on the legion Go S there.
wtf happened at dead cells? I mean I almost don't believe the results
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wtf happened at dead cells? I mean I almost don't believe the results
Windows uses a lot of power just existing, so you can't get any of the windows handhelds down to a low power consumption. I remember when the Rig Ally first came out, the verge tested it using 5-8w of power on the steam deck, and using 16-22w of power on the Ally. Some of that is the hardware (the Deck has a really power efficient chip for low power games), but a lot of it is windows.
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Why isn’t this the case with the ROG Ally? Users are reporting negligible to no change on Reddit.
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wtf happened at dead cells? I mean I almost don't believe the results
It just indicates that Dead Cells itself isn't very demanding, so the power draw in that game converges against idle draw where the issues are most apparent
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Who would have predicted, a decade ago, that the path to the actual year of the linux desktop would be taken first through the linux handheld gaming PC?
... Also LoL at SpiderMan 2, the only one that does a single frame worse, which basically at this point is just a solid indicator that game is still unoptimized as all hell.
Old man Gabe has been playing the long game, for all these years.
Ex-MSFT employee on a mission to apparently save us all from MSFT this whole time hahaha
It's not like all the alternatives to Linux aren't that good. Mac is a walled garden and Windows keeps introducing AI slop feature after AI slop feature that actually publishes your personal information
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It's not like all the alternatives to Linux aren't that good. Mac is a walled garden and Windows keeps introducing AI slop feature after AI slop feature that actually publishes your personal information
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean, Macs are certainly a viable alternative for many people...
But if you wanna use your PC to play games?
About 25% of Steam's library runs on Mac.
Whereas if you look at ProtonDB, 81% of games are either gold or platinum on Linux in general, 86% if you throw silver in.
That's gonna be a major hangup for a lot of people who want a PC that isn't Windows.
Oh right, that and Macs are all overpriced as fuck for the average consumer, when we are about to enter into the Second Great Depression.
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Windows uses a lot of power just existing, so you can't get any of the windows handhelds down to a low power consumption. I remember when the Rig Ally first came out, the verge tested it using 5-8w of power on the steam deck, and using 16-22w of power on the Ally. Some of that is the hardware (the Deck has a really power efficient chip for low power games), but a lot of it is windows.
This explains why Windows laptops just randomly start spinning their fans. Random energy consumption -> heat production increased -> fan spins
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This explains why Windows laptops just randomly start spinning their fans. Random energy consumption -> heat production increased -> fan spins
It takes a lot of power to send half your life to the other side of the world, to MS datawarehouse.
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BuT cAn iT rUn CoD/DeStiNy 2?
Kernel-level anti-cheat can go fuck itself.
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BuT cAn iT rUn CoD/DeStiNy 2?
You joke, but half of my Steam library is incompatible with Steam Deck. Like, I fucking hate Windows, but I'm stuck there for gaming, and I don't even play these multiplayer games. I'm talking Catherine, Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, Under Night In-Birth II… etc. Niche games all of them.
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I think this screenshot is pretty telling.
Without context that graph isn't brilliant because it depends on the hardware of the PC. Pretty much every game I run will be better on the steam deck than my PC because my PC is terrible.
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I mean, Macs are certainly a viable alternative for many people...
But if you wanna use your PC to play games?
About 25% of Steam's library runs on Mac.
Whereas if you look at ProtonDB, 81% of games are either gold or platinum on Linux in general, 86% if you throw silver in.
That's gonna be a major hangup for a lot of people who want a PC that isn't Windows.
Oh right, that and Macs are all overpriced as fuck for the average consumer, when we are about to enter into the Second Great Depression.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Every time I look at Macs I just can't get over how ridiculous they are in terms of pricing. Combined with the inability to upgrade after the fact. Buying one would just doom me to buying another a few years down the line, much better to just never get stuck in the ecosystem in the first place.
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Without context that graph isn't brilliant because it depends on the hardware of the PC. Pretty much every game I run will be better on the steam deck than my PC because my PC is terrible.
...hence the context in the graph that points out it's on exact same hardware....
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Without context that graph isn't brilliant because it depends on the hardware of the PC. Pretty much every game I run will be better on the steam deck than my PC because my PC is terrible.
These are both on the Lenovo Legion Go S. The significance here is that there's both official OEM windows and official OEM steamOS for this device.
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YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
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Do we know if it's entirely coming from SteamOS? Iirc the advantages it had over Windows on the Steam Deck were not even anywhere remotely this pronounced.
What else would it be coming from on the exact same hardware?
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Why isn’t this the case with the ROG Ally? Users are reporting negligible to no change on Reddit.
That's still good isn't it? At worst you're getting on par performance, at best it's better
