Is there any good decentralized cloud storage for personal backups as a self-hoster?
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
Filecoin showed promise as a nearly free option. I used to be a storage provider. Met a lot of other storage providers at conventions. The people involved were pretty alright. I haven't interacted with the community in a few years though. Biggest problem I saw back then was a lack of a user friendly means of storing and retrieval. That might have changed now.
Whatever option you pick please make sure you encrypt your data before you send it off.
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personal backups over torrent? and who would download that?
They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
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You could check out IPFS, the OG.
Wouldn't be a good solution, you're hoping that other users are going to volunteer to pin (aka store and seed) your personal backup data for you.
Using IPFS for personal backups is exactly the same as creating a torrent with your backup data - With both it would be unlikely that your personal backup data will actually exist anywhere beyond your own data storage, no one's going to freely volunteer to store your backups for you.
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
If you set up something like Garage with borg with a bunch of other people you could create a network where you essentially swap hard drive space to ensure you’re all backed up.
But I think Garage assumes very high trust with your fellow hosts, so this doesn’t scale beyond direct social connections.
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
I used storj.io for a while. Moved to Hetzner Storage boxes for my backup, because that's easier to configure with my restic setup.
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Wouldn't be a good solution, you're hoping that other users are going to volunteer to pin (aka store and seed) your personal backup data for you.
Using IPFS for personal backups is exactly the same as creating a torrent with your backup data - With both it would be unlikely that your personal backup data will actually exist anywhere beyond your own data storage, no one's going to freely volunteer to store your backups for you.
Sure, but you don't necessarily have to use it like that, you can provide your own decentralized storage using it. Put some cheap devices (old RPis w/ large SD cards) at friends'/family members' houses and have them pin your most important stuff. If they get broken/lost, NBD, you probably have another copy somewhere else.
If a lot of your data isn't critical and you're willing to gamble a bit (e.g. movies or something you can re-rip), then IPFS could be a perfect fit, just like torrents are (though IPFS probably isn't great for large media like movies, but hopefully my point makes sense).
I'm not saying it's perfect or anything, just that it exists and is in this domain. A lot of similar projects compare themselves to IPFS, so understanding what it is and isn't is useful what evaluating alternatives.
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They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
Isn’t that basically SyncThing? I thought it was BitTorrent under the hood.
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They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
Pretty much this. Unless those personal back ups happen to also be media people want or osmething
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
"personal" and "trustless" seem sort of at odds here. you want personal data, so you want personal storage.
what I recommend, if you have the time and energy, is to find another self-hoster you trust and be "backup buddies" with them. set up remote file storage on both your networks and send your backups to the other person's server.
if you can't find another self-hoster, then find a friend or family member you trust and mail them your backups on a physical disk.
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Isn’t that basically SyncThing? I thought it was BitTorrent under the hood.
Could you seed other peoples syncthings
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Isn’t that basically SyncThing? I thought it was BitTorrent under the hood.
Similar but no, Syncthing does not use bittorrent or the bittorrent protocol.
Though if you're curious Resilo Sync (formerly Bittorrent Sync) is similar to Syncthing and does use bittorrent.
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Sure, but you don't necessarily have to use it like that, you can provide your own decentralized storage using it. Put some cheap devices (old RPis w/ large SD cards) at friends'/family members' houses and have them pin your most important stuff. If they get broken/lost, NBD, you probably have another copy somewhere else.
If a lot of your data isn't critical and you're willing to gamble a bit (e.g. movies or something you can re-rip), then IPFS could be a perfect fit, just like torrents are (though IPFS probably isn't great for large media like movies, but hopefully my point makes sense).
I'm not saying it's perfect or anything, just that it exists and is in this domain. A lot of similar projects compare themselves to IPFS, so understanding what it is and isn't is useful what evaluating alternatives.
Eh, sure OP could do that. Does seem a bit over the top for OP to pursue the most complicated backup solution possible
Maybe as a strange experiment to see how it goes, not as a trusted backup solution. (like you said not for critical data)IPFS would also require more bandwidth vs just about any other solution since it has to constantly talk to other IPFS nodes. And more finicky, last I used IPFS the client would run into memory leaks and other weirdness requiring restarts every now and then (hopefully it's more stable for long-term runs nowadays).
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Eh, sure OP could do that. Does seem a bit over the top for OP to pursue the most complicated backup solution possible
Maybe as a strange experiment to see how it goes, not as a trusted backup solution. (like you said not for critical data)IPFS would also require more bandwidth vs just about any other solution since it has to constantly talk to other IPFS nodes. And more finicky, last I used IPFS the client would run into memory leaks and other weirdness requiring restarts every now and then (hopefully it's more stable for long-term runs nowadays).
Well, they said they wanted decentralized, and decentralization comes w/ caveats. I'm just providing options.
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"personal" and "trustless" seem sort of at odds here. you want personal data, so you want personal storage.
what I recommend, if you have the time and energy, is to find another self-hoster you trust and be "backup buddies" with them. set up remote file storage on both your networks and send your backups to the other person's server.
if you can't find another self-hoster, then find a friend or family member you trust and mail them your backups on a physical disk.
Don't forget to encrypt your backups before sending them, just in case... Better be safe than sorry
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If you set up something like Garage with borg with a bunch of other people you could create a network where you essentially swap hard drive space to ensure you’re all backed up.
But I think Garage assumes very high trust with your fellow hosts, so this doesn’t scale beyond direct social connections.
Got a link for that? Searching for "garage backup storage" doesn't really get me anywhere...
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Got a link for that? Searching for "garage backup storage" doesn't really get me anywhere...
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
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Siacoin.
I really wanted sia to take off. I wouldn't trust it yet though.
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They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
of course they didn't say that, but the request for such tools was in the title
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
Oh, that's disappointing. I was thinking of eventually using Storj as a second s3 endpoint for backups in addition to Backblaze.
