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  3. I would still download a car if I could. 🚗

I would still download a car if I could. 🚗

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    I wouldnt download a car, but that's only because im fanatically anti car.

    Because cars are bad. There should not be cars.

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    Would you download a train?

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    • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

      The amount of people that take these moral high roads is fucking ridiculous.

      Well, the faceless mega-corp made it difficult to purchase or stream

      I don’t like that I have to play the game on Steam

      Akshually I’m just copying it, so it’s not theft

      There are too many streaming services, so I shouldn’t have to pay for ANOTHER service

      I’m not depriving the content creator or publisher from any money, since I wasn’t going to pay for it regardless

      Just fucking own up to it. You are downloading content that you did not pay for. I don’t take some enlightened stance when I download a movie; I just do it. What I’m doing is not right, but I still do what I do. I don’t try to justify it with some bullshit political take.

      We all have our line on what we deem acceptable or not. The only piracy that, in my opinion, could have a leg to stand on is when it is actual lost media. No physical copies available, no way to stream or pay for it. Anything else is just the lies we tell ourselves to justify our actions.

      Just admit that you could pay for the content if you wanted to, you just choose not to, because you are a pirate. You are depriving someone somewhere from a sale or some other form of revenue.

      Edit: I worded “Just own it” poorly. Clarified it to “Just own up to it”. That was the original intent, just an oversight on my part.

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      When I return from the library instead of the bookstore it is with the deepest shame.

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      • M [email protected]

        Capitalism itself is a scarcity based system, and it falls apart somewhat when there's abundance.

        In capitalism, stuff only has value if it's scarce. We all constantly need oxygen to live, but because it's abundant, it's value is zero. Capitalism does not start valuing oxygen until there are situations where it starts becoming rare.

        This works for the most part in our world because physical goods by and large are scarce, but in the situations where they aren't, capitalism doesn't work. It's the classic planned obscelesence lightbulb story, if you can make a dirt cheap light bulb that lasts forever, you'll go out of business because you've created so much abundance that after a bit of production, you're actually not needed at all anymore and raw market based capitalism has no mechanism to reward you long term.

        The same is even more true for information. Unlike physical goods, information can flow and be copied freely at a fundamental physics level. To move a certain amount of physical matter a certain distance I need a certain amount of energy, and there are hard universal limits with energy density, but I can represent the number three using three galaxies, or three atoms. Information does not scale or behave the same, and is inherently abundant in the digital age.

        Rather than develop a system that rewards digital artists based on how much something is used for free, we created copyright, which uses laws and DRM to create artificial scarcity for information, because then an author can be rewarded within capitalism since it's scarce.

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        Unlike physical goods, information can flow and be copied freely at a fundamental physics level.

        The electricity and silicon required to make this happen are not free, on a societal or physical level. There is a tangible cost to this transfer, even if you're ignoring the social construct of copyright.

        I think this issue comes from a misunderstanding of "free", possibly conflating it for "trivially easy".

        Rather than develop a system that rewards digital artists based on how much something is used for free

        Feel free to come up with such a system. I think you'll find that a rather difficult task.

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          You have some very entitled opinions, if everyone thought like you no one would create digital media. You're free to not watch movies or listen to music but it's pretty asinine to take things without compensating the creator and claim no wrongdoing

          Edit: I assumed it would be pretty obvious I was talking about digital media that needed a budget but apparently not.
          Of course anyone can make digital media for free in their spare time but you'd need some kind of income to support that hobby.
          FOSS is the same but you need some income to survive.

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          You have some very entitled opinions

          Nah, the entitled opinions are coming from the "pay me, but you can't own media" folks.

          if everyone thought like you no one would create digital media

          If everyone thought like me, people could buy digital media in convenient formats at reasonable prices, and buying media would probably still be a lot more popular. My Bandcamp library is in the tens of thousands and growing. I support digital purchasing more than most, when it's done well.

          but it's pretty asinine to take things without compensating the creator and claim no wrongdoing

          As the whole crux of the thread makes clear, no taking is involved. You might want to go re-read the OP again, speaking of asinine.

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            Would you download a train?

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            Yes. Yesyesyesyesyes. Fuck yes.

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              Do I need to need to pay for the IP of your idea?

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              If you aim to make significant profit with it. Yes. Otherwise i had nothing to lose to begin with.

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              • O [email protected]

                Yes. Yesyesyesyesyes. Fuck yes.

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                But would you download a bus?

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                  But would you download a bus?

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                  Depends on file size, and if the train download is done.

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                  • darkdarkhouse@lemmy.sdf.orgD [email protected]

                    When I return from the library instead of the bookstore it is with the deepest shame.

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                    Yeah, me too. Especially when I only have a scale model PLA print of the car I downloaded.

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                    • darkdarkhouse@lemmy.sdf.orgD [email protected]

                      When I return from the library instead of the bookstore it is with the deepest shame.

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                      This is a specious analogy. e-books from libraries are already heavily controlled and are usually quite expensive to provide. Physical copies have their own inbuilt limits to distribution.

                      You're treating copyright like it's some sort of hardline moral stance against consuming any media you haven't directly paid for, when actually it's more like a very long list of compromises to balance the conflicting requirements of creators' needs to be compensated for their work versus society's need to benefit from that work. This is why lending libraries, fair use etc are legal and piracy isn't.

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                        Holy fuck this meme is so old it's probably of legal age to drink

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                        You can tell it’s made the rounds because it has a reaction image nearly the size of the image itself shoved onto the bottom superfluously

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                        • K [email protected]

                          Disclosure: I have been sailing the seas for years, but...

                          This logic does no justice to the objective financial harm being done to the creators/owners of valuable data/content/media.

                          The original creator/owner is at a loss when data is copied. The intent of that data is to be copied for profit. Now that the data has been copied against the creator/owners will, they do not receive the profit from that copy.

                          Yes yes the argument is made that the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways, but having free copies of the content available on the internet decreases the desire for people to obtain paid copies of the data. At the very least it gives people an option not to pay for the data, which is not what the creator wanted in creating it.
                          They are entitled to fair compensation to their work.

                          It is true that pirating is not directly theft, but it does definitely take away from the creator's/distributor's profit.

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                          the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways, but having free copies of the content available on the internet decreases the desire

                          Also, the person deciding whether or not they "would have" paid for it, has a strong incentive to kid themselves that they wouldn't. Imagine if cinemas worked that way, and you could just walk in and announce that you weren't going to buy a ticket anyway and since there's a seat over there still empty it's not going to cost them anything for you to sit in it. They'd go out of business by the end of the week.

                          Also also, either the thing you're copying has value that arose from the effort of creating it, or it doesn't. If it's of value, then it's reasonable to expect payment for it. It's it's not of value, then you shouldn't miss not having it.

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                          • O [email protected]

                            The people who make shit normally dont get paid anyway.

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                            not actually true

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                              not actually true

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                              Not from consumption. Most of that money is for execs/investors,

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                                Disclosure: I have been sailing the seas for years, but...

                                This logic does no justice to the objective financial harm being done to the creators/owners of valuable data/content/media.

                                The original creator/owner is at a loss when data is copied. The intent of that data is to be copied for profit. Now that the data has been copied against the creator/owners will, they do not receive the profit from that copy.

                                Yes yes the argument is made that the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways, but having free copies of the content available on the internet decreases the desire for people to obtain paid copies of the data. At the very least it gives people an option not to pay for the data, which is not what the creator wanted in creating it.
                                They are entitled to fair compensation to their work.

                                It is true that pirating is not directly theft, but it does definitely take away from the creator's/distributor's profit.

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                                Adding on to say: no. It doesn't cost the creator anything when a pirated copy is made. They potentially miss a sale, but if their item wasn't in a store where someone may have made a purchase you wouldn't call that actively harmful, right?

                                In addition, most media the creators don't actually make money from the profit. Most of the time they're paid a salary, maybe with a bonus if it does particularly well. The company that owns the product takes the profit (or loss), not the actual creators.

                                Also, a lot of media isn't even controlled by the same people as when it was made. For example, buying the Dune books doesn't give money to Frank Herbert. It goes to his estate.

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                                • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                  The amount of people that take these moral high roads is fucking ridiculous.

                                  Well, the faceless mega-corp made it difficult to purchase or stream

                                  I don’t like that I have to play the game on Steam

                                  Akshually I’m just copying it, so it’s not theft

                                  There are too many streaming services, so I shouldn’t have to pay for ANOTHER service

                                  I’m not depriving the content creator or publisher from any money, since I wasn’t going to pay for it regardless

                                  Just fucking own up to it. You are downloading content that you did not pay for. I don’t take some enlightened stance when I download a movie; I just do it. What I’m doing is not right, but I still do what I do. I don’t try to justify it with some bullshit political take.

                                  We all have our line on what we deem acceptable or not. The only piracy that, in my opinion, could have a leg to stand on is when it is actual lost media. No physical copies available, no way to stream or pay for it. Anything else is just the lies we tell ourselves to justify our actions.

                                  Just admit that you could pay for the content if you wanted to, you just choose not to, because you are a pirate. You are depriving someone somewhere from a sale or some other form of revenue.

                                  Edit: I worded “Just own it” poorly. Clarified it to “Just own up to it”. That was the original intent, just an oversight on my part.

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                                  Just admit that you could pay for the content if you wanted to, you just choose not to, because you are a pirate. You are depriving someone somewhere from a sale or some other form of revenue.

                                  I usually can't, actually. Not immediately anyway. But that doesn't stop me from paying for it when I can. Done it with plenty of games. And if I didn't have that option, which I primarily use for games I'm not entirely sure I'll stick with, well... I just wouldn't buy it. Full stop. Wouldn't be a consideration at all. There is no lost sale here, only the potential to fall in love with it enough to buy it when I eventually can.

                                  Not saying this is some moral high ground. It's not. But plenty of folks just can't afford to gamble on whether or not they like something and end up paying it forward when they can.

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                                    The people who make shit normally dont get paid anyway.

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                                    They get paid. They just don't get a share of profits. They are usually paid a salary or, increasingly more commonly, are paid as a contractor.

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                                      They get paid. They just don't get a share of profits. They are usually paid a salary or, increasingly more commonly, are paid as a contractor.

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                                      Yeah but me streaming doesnt get them more paid, and it's a fucking pittance anyway. Ive kniwn people who couldn't really afford to live, working on projects that made ridiculous profits. Sorry, union too weak, cannot use to bludgeon me into the absolute shit show tgat is paying for media.

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                                        The problem with almost every pro-piracy argument like this is that they fundamentally require a significant percentage of the population to disagree with it. "People who can pay will pay and I'm not taking anything from them" only works for as long as both the general population and retailers regard piracy as wrong and keep funding all those games, movies etc for you.

                                        Heck, all you pirates should be upvoting anti-piracy posts like this, we're the ones keeping your habit funded...

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                                          Well yeah, because my objections to AI aren't based on copyright law.

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