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Helldivers 2 and Palworld devs wish players understood that 'easy' additions and updates are sometimes really hard: 'That's half a year's work. That takes six months'

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  • A astralpath@lemmy.ca
    24 May 2025, 02:48

    Sounds to me like you're not considering that they likely have a massive list of priorities to address and a flashlight attachment is simply not even close to the top of the list.

    Nothing exists in a vacuum.

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    righthandofikaros@lemmy.world
    wrote on 24 May 2025, 04:46 last edited by
    #13

    It was only an example. As the asset already exists in the game elsewhere, adding that same asset somewhere else in the game should definitely not take even an intern more than a week to implement.

    Again, it is understandable in certain circumstances that major content drops take time. But for something as simple as the flashlight attachment example (which again is only a hypothetical example), there is no excuse for something like that to take 6 months or more to implement. Even if they have other priorities, something like that is so menial to implement that it would not take any significant amount of time away from higher priority development. Particularly because, in the example, other guns already have flashlight attachments, it already exists in the game. Unless they programmed the game in the literal worst way imagineable, they likely have a modular weapon system with slots that accept attachments. Very easy to add a new slot and allow it to accept the flashlight attachment, again as an example.

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    • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
      24 May 2025, 01:49
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      dumblederp@aussie.zone
      wrote on 24 May 2025, 04:56 last edited by dumblederp@aussie.zone
      #14

      My Helldivers gripe is that the war bonds cost too much for the casual player. 1000 super credits takes a while to gather, and even grind. Paying actual money for them is about $25aud per war bond. I think there's eight war bonds now? That's a full day's income, and you still need to collect medals to unlock the contents of the warbond.

      Edit: You all don't need to explain this to me, I'm aware of the options for getting super credits. None of that changes how I feel about the game and that I'm losing interest because of it.

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      • M masterspace@lemmy.ca
        24 May 2025, 03:59

        If gamers are bitching about a game not adding a whole new island, you should ignore them because they're clearly idiots.

        If gamers are bitching about your menu system being navigable by someone with less than a PhD (cough, Risk of Rain 2 on console, cough), and you're estimating that will take 6 months to fix, then that's because you (as a company) coded your software badly.

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        ugurcan@lemmy.world
        wrote on 24 May 2025, 05:42 last edited by
        #15

        That’s right. Still, it could take more than 6 months to make it right.

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        • Q quadraturesurfer@lemmy.world
          24 May 2025, 03:38

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          b3an@lemmy.world
          wrote on 24 May 2025, 06:04 last edited by
          #16

          I own something from that. I tried running it once and it would barely load. I gave up. Didn’t try again even on a new pc

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          • S shiggles@sh.itjust.works
            24 May 2025, 02:49

            “Our software is a bloated mess” is not the defence they think it is.

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            aksdb@lemmy.world
            wrote on 24 May 2025, 06:14 last edited by
            #17

            It kind of is, unfortunately. Games are often developed with a lot of pressure and the constant dangling of the budget being cut off. I don't think the devs are incompetent and think what they produced (code quality wise) would be the best, but what could they do if they need a result to present to the publisher end of week and then don't get money (aka time) to clean it up but instead they get the next deadline.

            On the other hand I am also not sure I can blame publishers. Things can easily spiral out of control if managed badly in the other direction.... see Cloud Imperium Games (i.e. Star Citizen).

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            • D dumblederp@aussie.zone
              24 May 2025, 04:56

              My Helldivers gripe is that the war bonds cost too much for the casual player. 1000 super credits takes a while to gather, and even grind. Paying actual money for them is about $25aud per war bond. I think there's eight war bonds now? That's a full day's income, and you still need to collect medals to unlock the contents of the warbond.

              Edit: You all don't need to explain this to me, I'm aware of the options for getting super credits. None of that changes how I feel about the game and that I'm losing interest because of it.

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              lepinkainen@lemmy.world
              wrote on 24 May 2025, 06:20 last edited by
              #18

              But you don’t “need” to unlock them all on the day of release, there is no FOMO component, they don’t disappear after a month.

              And if you play enough to unlock them faster than they can get them out, you definitely have the time to grind the 1000SC to unlock them.

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              • J jeebaichow@lemmy.world
                24 May 2025, 03:15

                Maybe the suits can fix that in a week by using AI.

                /s btw

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                jonne@infosec.pub
                wrote on 24 May 2025, 06:44 last edited by
                #19

                Hey ChatGPT, code a new island!

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                  24 May 2025, 01:49
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                  mriswith@lemmy.world
                  wrote on 24 May 2025, 06:53 last edited by mriswith@lemmy.world
                  #20

                  That's nothing new.

                  Gamers who don't know any programming, or maybe made a little utility for themselves. Looovee to bring out the old "just change one line of code", "just add this model", etc. to alter something in a game.

                  They literally do not understand how complex systems become, specially in online multiplayer games. Riot had issues with their spaghetti code, and people were crawling over eachother to explain how "easy" it would be to just change an ability. Without realizing that it could impact and potentially break half a dozen other abilities.

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                    yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                    wrote on 24 May 2025, 07:09 last edited by
                    #21

                    Mostly agree, 98% of requests are unrealistic. Most of these requests are not even simple.

                    But many times, things ARE fucked. And when that happen - dear gamers, don't curse devs, as a team. There was shitty ceo, who couldnt make a straight decision or changed them 200 times a day, because felt some popular new feature totally must be in the game, that ruined whole concept. Many times, the concept were shitty from the start, then blame director of that. Even more often, publishers pushes their financial decision over dev team (hello Helldivers2 vs Sony). Yet another time, some lawsuit shitstorm happens, that makes devs scrap something (hello Palworlds vs big_n). And many times, its all together.

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                    • M masterspace@lemmy.ca
                      24 May 2025, 03:59

                      If gamers are bitching about a game not adding a whole new island, you should ignore them because they're clearly idiots.

                      If gamers are bitching about your menu system being navigable by someone with less than a PhD (cough, Risk of Rain 2 on console, cough), and you're estimating that will take 6 months to fix, then that's because you (as a company) coded your software badly.

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                      slazer2au@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 24 May 2025, 07:10 last edited by
                      #22

                      I like to link them to any modding SDK (official or unofficial) and as them why don't they make it.

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                      • J jonne@infosec.pub
                        24 May 2025, 06:44

                        Hey ChatGPT, code a new island!

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                        wanderingthoughts@europe.pub
                        wrote on 24 May 2025, 07:32 last edited by
                        #23

                        Players: it's not unique enough and that makes it boring. It's like they rushed this one with some standard stuff.

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                        • D dumblederp@aussie.zone
                          24 May 2025, 04:56

                          My Helldivers gripe is that the war bonds cost too much for the casual player. 1000 super credits takes a while to gather, and even grind. Paying actual money for them is about $25aud per war bond. I think there's eight war bonds now? That's a full day's income, and you still need to collect medals to unlock the contents of the warbond.

                          Edit: You all don't need to explain this to me, I'm aware of the options for getting super credits. None of that changes how I feel about the game and that I'm losing interest because of it.

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                          renrenpdx@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 24 May 2025, 07:41 last edited by
                          #24

                          Have to disagree. The war bonds have been some of the easiest to pay with in game currency compared to games like cod where their cod points feel next to worthless.

                          If you are netting very few credits per hell dive, you may be playing with those that don’t need them or playing bots, or a newly released content. Farming on level 1 will often get you with like minded folk, especially before a war bonds release. Farming is quick when you realize you don’t have to extract, just abort to ship.

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                          • M mriswith@lemmy.world
                            24 May 2025, 06:53

                            That's nothing new.

                            Gamers who don't know any programming, or maybe made a little utility for themselves. Looovee to bring out the old "just change one line of code", "just add this model", etc. to alter something in a game.

                            They literally do not understand how complex systems become, specially in online multiplayer games. Riot had issues with their spaghetti code, and people were crawling over eachother to explain how "easy" it would be to just change an ability. Without realizing that it could impact and potentially break half a dozen other abilities.

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                            tower@lemm.ee
                            wrote on 24 May 2025, 08:36 last edited by
                            #25

                            See: Destiny and Telesto.

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                            • L lepinkainen@lemmy.world
                              24 May 2025, 06:20

                              But you don’t “need” to unlock them all on the day of release, there is no FOMO component, they don’t disappear after a month.

                              And if you play enough to unlock them faster than they can get them out, you definitely have the time to grind the 1000SC to unlock them.

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                              dumblederp@aussie.zone
                              wrote on 24 May 2025, 09:03 last edited by dumblederp@aussie.zone
                              #26

                              I'm definitely experiencing FOMO with the warbonds I don't have. I don't have the time to play/grind or the inclination to pay for them, so I am missing out. There's three warbonds that I don't have and sure I'll eventually get them maybe but right now I'm missing out. Being able to unlock things is a big part of a game to me. I'm not dedicated enough to HD2 to skip the other games I want to play in order to get the unlocks. The whole process is lowering my interest in the game. I paid for it, I want to use the new toys that get released with it. If I were to buy it today, I'd be so far behind I'd feel short-changed in what I got access to.

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                              • B b3an@lemmy.world
                                24 May 2025, 06:04

                                I own something from that. I tried running it once and it would barely load. I gave up. Didn’t try again even on a new pc

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                                vonreposti@feddit.dk
                                wrote on 24 May 2025, 09:06 last edited by
                                #27

                                I bought a pledge early on. Sold it a few years later for double the price. Great investment!

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                                • D dumblederp@aussie.zone
                                  24 May 2025, 04:56

                                  My Helldivers gripe is that the war bonds cost too much for the casual player. 1000 super credits takes a while to gather, and even grind. Paying actual money for them is about $25aud per war bond. I think there's eight war bonds now? That's a full day's income, and you still need to collect medals to unlock the contents of the warbond.

                                  Edit: You all don't need to explain this to me, I'm aware of the options for getting super credits. None of that changes how I feel about the game and that I'm losing interest because of it.

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                                  redredme@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 24 May 2025, 09:44 last edited by
                                  #28

                                  1000 super credits are easily farmed just by doing missions. Do low level missions, race to the poi's with the car, rinse repeat.

                                  Fun? No. But you said farming so this is it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                  By just playing the game for little over a week, so no farming, just playing, i've gathered 700 sc.

                                  The medals are easily gathered doing level 5 and up missions and completing your personal orders. And taking part in the majors of course.

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                                  • R redredme@lemmy.world
                                    24 May 2025, 09:44

                                    1000 super credits are easily farmed just by doing missions. Do low level missions, race to the poi's with the car, rinse repeat.

                                    Fun? No. But you said farming so this is it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                    By just playing the game for little over a week, so no farming, just playing, i've gathered 700 sc.

                                    The medals are easily gathered doing level 5 and up missions and completing your personal orders. And taking part in the majors of course.

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                                    dumblederp@aussie.zone
                                    wrote on 24 May 2025, 09:47 last edited by
                                    #29

                                    All that stuff is great if you've the time. I've got maybe 1-2 hours a week for the game.

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                                    • M mriswith@lemmy.world
                                      24 May 2025, 06:53

                                      That's nothing new.

                                      Gamers who don't know any programming, or maybe made a little utility for themselves. Looovee to bring out the old "just change one line of code", "just add this model", etc. to alter something in a game.

                                      They literally do not understand how complex systems become, specially in online multiplayer games. Riot had issues with their spaghetti code, and people were crawling over eachother to explain how "easy" it would be to just change an ability. Without realizing that it could impact and potentially break half a dozen other abilities.

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                                      ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                      wrote on 24 May 2025, 10:15 last edited by
                                      #30

                                      Even if you're an actual software dev, it's still pretty much impossible to guess how much work something is without knowing the codebase intimately.

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                                      • D dumblederp@aussie.zone
                                        24 May 2025, 09:47

                                        All that stuff is great if you've the time. I've got maybe 1-2 hours a week for the game.

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                                        tronbronson@lemmy.world
                                        wrote on 24 May 2025, 10:32 last edited by
                                        #31

                                        Here the thing, if you only play 1-2 hours a week you barely have enough time to get a good load out figured out. Why don’t you just enjoy the game as is, when you have 40 hours in the game you should have unlocked a battle pass. It’s how games are monetized now. Enjoy the content available to you or fork up the cash. Welcome to 2025 we all hate it here.

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                                        • D dumblederp@aussie.zone
                                          24 May 2025, 09:47

                                          All that stuff is great if you've the time. I've got maybe 1-2 hours a week for the game.

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                                          tronbronson@lemmy.world
                                          wrote on 24 May 2025, 10:35 last edited by
                                          #32

                                          If you play 1-2 hours a week you probably haven’t even unlocked the free stuff yet, or got meaningful upgrades. The new guns are not that great. I use the same shotgun from day 1. Same OG kit. The game plays fine without the BPs. The game gives you free access to BP. The core game itself is very fun to play and the rewards come pretty naturally.How is this an issue?

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